Livernois Firestorm HPFP Installed

[StealBlueSho]

So I have been waiting to get my hands on one of these for QUITE some time. On my 2010 I ended up going with the Alky Kit to resolve fuel pressure issues since the HPFP upgrades were not available. However, on my ****** 2016 I decided to pull the trigger.

A BIG shout out to Cody over at LMS for answering my questions, putting up with my canceling, then calling back to place the order, and the 5 different tune revisions I asked for. Then for answering a couple quick questions for the installation.

Installation was super easy, if you follow my how to on the HPFP replacement, its pretty much spot on... a couple changes...

1: You will need to bend the high pressure fuel line SLIGHTLY up so it will line up with the new pump
2: The electrical plug needs to be unbound from the taped up wiring harness. This will include cutting back the tape to free up the plug so it can reach the new pump.

Those are the ONLY two differences between putting in a stock pump and the Firestorm pump. Silly easy..

Initial datalogging shows MUCH more stable fuel pressure, fuel pressure is holding desired where as before it was dropping well below 1000psi which is downright dangerous if sustain, which is was. The car drives really realy well.. smooth, pulls through the RPM range smooth.. very happy with this purchase and support from LMS.

 

[b4black]

The new Firestorm Fuel Pump supplies up to 40% more fuel than the factory fuel pump.

So 40% more fuel. The big question then is will this enable E85?

 

[bpd1151]

LMS recommends their "Severe Duty" HPFP for full E85 use. That pump runs like $2,300.

The lower upgraded HPFP, which is $1,600 or $1,700 (& was purchased/shown here) I don't believe they recommend that for use of E.

I'm sure the OP will chime in when time permits.

 

[StealBlueSho]

The new Firestorm Fuel Pump supplies up to 40% more fuel than the factory fuel pump.

So 40% more fuel. The big question then is will this enable E85?

No, LMS doesn’t recommend this pump for E85. If Rich Yaklin Jr were to respond it would be helpful. He purchased the severe duty pump and is trying to get a full E85 tune with LMS. He has had to upgrade injectors, get the severe pump, and add a boost a pump to the LPFP in the tank... and they are still not where they want to be I don’t think...

The one I purchased can handle E30 just fine if tuned for it. Matt Robinson at Gearhead has a 500awhp tune on E30 with the XDI pump which flows 5% LESS than the LMS pump.

For me it’s about safety. The stock fuel system has a hard time with just an aggressive 93 octane tune.


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[b4black]

From the LMS website.....This High Pressure Fuel Pump allows for FlexFuel operation for the 2015 and 2016 F150 3.5L model years and is E85 compatible.

I hope they can do this for the SHO.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Cleaned up the install a little bit. I trimmed back more of the tape on the harness to give me some more slack on the HPFP electrical plug. This allowed me to add a proper sheath on the wiring AND move it off the HPFP. I noticed that the pump gets super hot and was starting to melt the tape I had wrapped around the exposed wires.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

No, LMS doesn’t recommend this pump for E85. If Rich Yaklin Jr were to respond it would be helpful. He purchased the severe duty pump and is trying to get a full E85 tune with LMS. He has had to upgrade injectors, get the severe pump, and add a boost a pump to the LPFP in the tank... and they are still not where they want to be I don’t think...

The one I purchased can handle E30 just fine if tuned for it. Matt Robinson at Gearhead has a 500awhp tune on E30 with the XDI pump which flows 5% LESS than the LMS pump.

For me it’s about safety. The stock fuel system has a hard time with just an aggressive 93 octane tune.


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Yes this pump would not allow for the use of e85 only the severe hpfp will support that!

 

[StealBlueSho]

Yes this pump would not allow for the use of e85 only the severe hpfp will support that!

Curious... the website says the firestorm pump (non-severe) flows 40% more than stock. Cody mentioned 30%. Which number is it?


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[Livernois Motorsports]

From the LMS website.....This High Pressure Fuel Pump allows for FlexFuel operation for the 2015 and 2016 F150 3.5L model years and is E85 compatible.

I hope they can there for the SHO.

It would still need injectors and a custom tune here on the dyno but yes it is able to do flex fuel!

 

[StealBlueSho]

Another question... does LMS offer remote eblended tunes? I was gonna call in and ask... but since your responding here.... thanks!


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[Livernois Motorsports]

Another question... does LMS offer remote eblended tunes? I was gonna call in and ask... but since your responding here.... thanks!


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Yes we can, the best without the other mods would be a 50/50 mix tune!

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Curious... the website says the firestorm pump (non-severe) flows 40% more than stock. Cody mentioned 30%. Which number is it?


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I mightve just made a mistake, im sure i said 40% but maybe i made a mistake but 40% is correct

 

[StealBlueSho]

I mightve just made a mistake, im sure i said 40% but maybe i made a mistake but 40% is correct

Perfect! So $200 cheaper and 5% more fuel than the XDI-35.


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[MHW100]

Still ruminating about getting the pump. Asked the senior Ford tech at the dealership regarding the perils of low pressure. His comment was:

"Low fuel pressure can definitely cause major issues. However fuel rail pressure is directly monitored by the PCM. It will set and engine light and cut back power of it detects low pressure under load. It will also set the engine light of the fuel mixtures run too lean (too much air - not enough fuel). With it running lean, the engine will also run much hotter. And you guessed it - set an engine light. So there really are a number of failsafes so to speak if the HPP we’re unable to deliver enough fuel."

I take this to mean you won't crater the engine by low pressure unless there's more to the story .

 

[StealBlueSho]

Still ruminating about getting the pump. Asked the senior Ford tech at the dealership regarding the perils of low pressure. His comment was:

"Low fuel pressure can definitely cause major issues. However fuel rail pressure is directly monitored by the PCM. It will set and engine light and cut back power of it detects low pressure under load. It will also set the engine light of the fuel mixtures run too lean (too much air - not enough fuel). With it running lean, the engine will also run much hotter. And you guessed it - set an engine light. So there really are a number of failsafes so to speak if the HPP we’re unable to deliver enough fuel."

I take this to mean you won't crater the engine by low pressure unless there's more to the story .

This is all correct, however, I am sure he is assuming the stock calibration. I have personally seen the PCM close the throttle, drop boost, cut power, etc when rail pressure drops. I have also seen lean conditions which is not directly tied to fuel pressure cause the throttle to close up.

In any event, LMS doesn't like anything less than stock fuel pressure which is around 2100psi... GH doesn't like to see anything less than 1700psi, and unleashed doesn't like seeing anything under 1500psi...

Also, you need to take into account that not all tuners leave the stock safety functions in place.. just food for thought.

 

[MHW100]

This is all correct, however, I am sure he is assuming the stock calibration. I have personally seen the PCM close the throttle, drop boost, cut power, etc when rail pressure drops. I have also seen lean conditions which is not directly tied to fuel pressure cause the throttle to close up.

In any event, LMS doesn't like anything less than stock fuel pressure which is around 2100psi... GH doesn't like to see anything less than 1700psi, and unleashed doesn't like seeing anything under 1500psi...

Also, you need to take into account that not all tuners leave the stock safety functions in place.. just food for thought.

I was under the impression that LMS doesn't remove the protections and that they specifically pull back power in a low pressure condition. No disrespect to the other tuners but LMS seems to have a long history and I can't find an instance where they've killed an engine. Probably the others haven't either but I haven't looked.

 

[StealBlueSho]

I was under the impression that LMS doesn't remove the protections and that they specifically pull back power in a low pressure condition. No disrespect to the other tuners but LMS seems to have a long history and I can't find an instance where they've killed an engine. Probably the others haven't either but I haven't looked.

I never said LMS removes protections. Neither does AJPTurbo or Gearhead for that matter. I cannot speak for other tuning companies.

 

[MHW100]

I never said LMS removes protections. Neither does AJPTurbo or Gearhead for that matter. I cannot speak for other tuning companies.

Wasn't sure who you had put into the "not all tuners" camp .

 

[StealBlueSho]

Wasn't sure who you had put into the "not all tuners" camp .

Southern Speed Inc for one.

 

[MHW100]

StealBlueSho - Pardon my ignorance but is this a 'bad' thing i.e. don't you want the the power cut at these times to avoid damage?;
"I have personally seen the PCM close the throttle, drop boost, cut power, etc when rail pressure drops. I have also seen lean conditions which is not directly tied to fuel pressure cause the throttle to close up. "