John Deer Coolant Eye (Part No. TY16423)

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A while back, I was looking for a cooling system filter. I figured if we filter the oil, why not filter the coolant. There are several out there, but they are in-line filters with no bypass. I realize the chance that the filter would plug and stop coolant flow to the engine is almost nil, but I wanted a filter that would not obstruct flow.

John Deere makes a device that is used mainly by owners of their tractors. The "coolant eye" (also called other names by parts sellers) is an extremely heavy walled clear plastic tube that is barbed on both ends to accommodate hose from 5/8" to 3/4" with a slanted dip tube. At the end of the tube is a valve for draining the tube and sediment that is captured by the tube. You can also attach a hose to the fitting on the tube to flush out the coolant system.

The coolant eye goes on the outlet of the heater hose – which is the hose on the right if you are standing in front of the car facing the engine. It is an extremely tight fit to locate the coolant eye at this location and almost impossible to access the drain valve fitting from either above or underneath the engine. But the solution is just to remove the tube to drain and flip it upside down to back flush. Minimal coolant will be lost from the system when you remove it to drain or back flush.

The molded outlet heater hose must be cut in two locations. The first cut is made as the hose exits the firewall and about one to two inches into the straight section after the hose makes its 120° turn to the straight section.

The next cut is made one to two inches before the hose makes the 90° turn to attach to the coolant pipe. This is the critical cut for you are not left with much hose at this end. Cut the hose so that the amount of hose before the 90° turn is equal to the amount after the turn. Essentially you should have an equal length 90° elbow.

The outlet heater hose expands from 5/8” ID at the firewall end to 3/4" ID at the coolant pipe end. The hose at the coolant pipe end will snug further up the barbed end than the hose at the firewall end. Use two hose clamps on the hose-barbed end sections to secure the hose. I use ABA clamps which are smoothed metal (no holes) so the hose is not damaged.

John Deer present a table of visual symptoms you see in the clear plastic part of the tubing and what the potential problem may be as presented below.

I have had a John Deere Coolant Eye in my system for about six years. In that time about 1/8 to 1/4 of the dip tube has filled up with a very fine sediment that is almost powder like when dried after I drained it from the system.

After removing SHO engine heads at junk yards over the years, I’ve noticed that many of them have scaled or plugged coolant passages. Some of the engines are really abused as a lot of the coolant system is filled with a jelled like material (stop leak?). But even the ones that have immaculate oil pans, which would seem to indicate that the owner cared enough about the engine to keep the oil system very clean, had severe scale in the cooling passages.

Corrosion can be a severe problem in the SHO engine because it has aluminum heads but an iron block. Aluminum and iron are located at the extreme ends of the galvancic scale which means that corrosion is severe for iron when aluminum is present. That's why maintaining fresh coolant with an adequate level of anti-corrosion additives is so important for iron block/aluminum head engines.

I’m guessing here as I am no expert, but it seems to me that keeping the cooling passages as clear as possible is just as critical as supplying clean oil to the engine. After all blocked coolant passages would seem to cause hot spots on the heads and cylinders which would lead to all sorts of problems and reduced engine life – “cooking of the oil”, uneven heating of the cylinder heads leading to warping, leaking heads, ring damage??.

In any event the coolant eye only costs $15 to $20 and it seems like a low cost investment to keep the system clean of solids. It does get boring watching the coolant flow through the eye as if there are no problems with the system (bubbles, etc) as there are no visual clues that the coolant is moving as you look at the tube.

You can order the tube directly from John Deere at their site (www.deere.com) or at a John Deere parts store. I’ve only found one on-line store that sells it: www.keepingitgreen.com. They call the part at level gauge (LEVEL GAUG) and sell it for $17.95>




Coolant eye valve

• Helps identify potential problems before they can cause major failures.
• Easy-to-install device provides a window into your cooling system.
Will fit 5/8-in. or 3/4-in. hose openings.
• Excellent item for customers who want to save costly repairs that
result from cooling system problems.
• Provides visual inspection of coolant for diagnosis.
• Collects and allows for drainage of harmful deposits.
• Drain valve allows easy removal of coolant for analysis.
• Can be used as a flushing port.

Troubleshooting guide

Visual symptom, Potential problem, Potential danger

Air bubbles, Cracked head/gasket leak, Engine parts deterioration,

Low flow, Low coolant/obstruction/collapsed hose/bad pump, Engine overheating,

Metal particles, Aeration/low concentration of additives/electrical grounding, Eroded casting parts,

Rust/scale, Low additive concentration/unacceptable water, Thermostat failure,

Gelling, Over concentration of additives/incompatible antifreeze Poor quality water, Plugged system

Debris, Deteriorating gaskets/extra silicone, Corrosion/plugging

NOTE: All these potential dangers can cause overheating and eventual engine failure.
 
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great info BUT

cooling systems are to cool engines, real simple right?
ok whats not so simple is the multiple metals that are in our
cooling systems, then to compound the problem the manufacture
adds water to bare metal engine internals, I know why, revenue.

well the filter is a great idea in any vehicle but if you can stop
the electrolosis, corrossion, you wont have a reason to install a filter
to begin with.

dont get me wrong here, the filter is a great idea if you use conventional
coolant.

I have found that using waterless coolant eliminates all cooling issues
I use it in all my vehicles and I never have to fool with any cooling
systems anymore, It dosent even create more than 7 psi, most the time
it is at 0 psi at full operating temp, has a lifetime use, non toxic.

www.evanscooling.com

hope this help anyone in the future, it has made my life much easier
Javier
 

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fram makes coolant filters. they last a long time, years on end.

if I had to make one mod to the cooling system of my SHO, it would be a deairation swirl tank or something to remove those small air bubbles.
 
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air bubbles

1slickRED89 said:
fram makes coolant filters. they last a long time, years on end.

if I had to make one mod to the cooling system of my SHO, it would be a deairation swirl tank or something to remove those small air bubbles.


how do those air bubbles form?
could it be water boiling?
how come auto cooling systems need
16 psi caps?
cooling systems need to hold pressure
to keep coolant attached to cylinder
walls and head passages.

water is the worst thing to put inside
any engine.

it causes corrosion turns to steam, and
always needs replacement
 

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well, I think it's because ethylene glycol has a lower vapor pressure than Propylene Glycol, and may be caused from cavitation in the coolant pump, but that's irrelevant to the posters concerns with coolant filters.
 

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Yes, I've read about Evans system some time ago. But there are also those who propose 100% water based systems! See www.racerpartswholesale.com, although they are not concerned with corrosion but with maximum heat transfer.

One thing to take note of concerning pure ethylene or propylene gylcol is that they are both flammable at elevated temperatures, whereas water/glycol mixtures are inflammable.
 
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yup there is 13 ways to skin a jihad supporter

evans protects in the -61 to 375F
with full jacket coverage, maximum
heat transfer.
SEVERS THE CONNECTION
BETWEEN COOLING SYSTEM
FAILURE AND THE BOILING
POINT OF WATER
 
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Marccus said:
Yes, I've read about Evans system some time ago. But there are also those who propose 100% water based systems! See www.racerpartswholesale.com, although they are not concerned with corrosion but with maximum heat transfer.

One thing to take note of concerning pure ethylene or propylene gylcol is that they are both flammable at elevated temperatures, whereas water/glycol mixtures are inflammable.


your right though I have to take back what I said earlier

well the filter is a great idea in any vehicle but if you can stop
the electrolosis, corrossion, you wont have a reason to install a filter
to begin with.

dont get me wrong here, the filter is a great idea if you use conventional
coolant.
using the filter is good in all applications with any coolant
:cheers:
 

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Even with conventional coolant, annual flushes will keep the cooling system in good shape, certainly good enough for 99% of the SHO drivers in the world. I just did a water pump and t-stat on a '90 with 282K miles and the cooling system was very clean.

Sure, there are a million ways to do things with these cars, but in reality ideas like this are more of a solution looking for a problem than a critical issue that needs attention. Just my $.02.
 

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About the Evans "100% inhibited propylene glycol" coolant I have some concerns to point out:

Propylene glycol has a much lower heat capacity than water. It's heat capacity is even lower than ethylene glycol. Shoot, there's a reason that 70/30 coolant mixes are recommended for winter time in the great north and not summer or year round in less harsh climes. And FWIW, in non freezing climates such as Brazil coolants are close to 100% water + corrosion inhibitors.

Now the idealized heat transfer abilities of water beat ethylene or propylene glycol hands down. If you're worried about cavitation problems, that's what the water wetter is for. It does very well dealing with the very problem that Evans bitches about the most in their marketing hooey.

I'm with Chris, this is a "solution" looking for a problem. Anybody who starts with a clean cooling system free of parts about to break will be just fine doing an annual drain and fill on the radiator. Don't need to flush it annually, just drain what's in the radiator and refill with fresh mix. In fact North American coolant is designed with the expectation that that is all an owner is going to do every 3 years: replace only what's in the radiator. Do it annually and things will stay clean and fresh in there for a heck of a lot longer than most of the rest of the car, including all the 'spensive non-cooling system parts folks replace for maintenance.
 
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shojuan said:
About the Evans "100% inhibited propylene glycol" coolant I
Now the idealized heat transfer abilities of water beat ethylene or propylene glycol hands down. If you're worried about cavitation problems, that's what the water wetter is for. It does very well dealing with the very problem that Evans biotches about the most in their marketing hooey.

I'm with Chris, this is a "solution" looking for a problem. Anybody who starts with a clean cooling system free of parts about to break will be just fine doing an annual drain and fill on the radiator. Don't need to flush it annually, just drain what's in the radiator and refill with fresh mix. In fact North American coolant is designed with the expectation that that is all an owner is going to do every 3 years: replace only what's in the radiator. Do it annually and things will stay clean and fresh in there for a heck of a lot longer than most of the rest of the car, including all the 'spensive non-cooling system parts folks replace for maintenance.




ok ill try and be polite, but is the difference between your view and mine is your view is the ability of the product to work as advertised and wont try it.

and mine is using this product and posting actual benefits,
on the 15th last month I took my 93 atx to track day at
homestead, the previous day I switched to evans.
the next day I drove 65 miles flat out 100mph road course.
cooling system pressure 5-7 psi that in it self worth the price.
:thumb:
 

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I run pure water with a touch of coolant! What's the pressure? Ahh, I don't care, as long as my temp gauge stays at 195 degrees! :cool:
 
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if you have to change coolant yearly because its in poor condition, thats what you want to do, thats fine, I found something else thats lifetime fill.
Im tired of changing bad oil and bad antifreeze.
I know there is better lubricant,coolant, then what the manufacture
or garage recommends.
so far Im happy with my results on 3 vehicles and evans coolant, 2 sho, 7.3 diesel, oh and works good too with ktm 125sx dirt bike.

you are right, conventional coolant does the job its the maintenance I dont agree with.
I rather use a lifetime advertised coolant.
 

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yamapowered said:
if you have to change coolant yearly because its in poor condition, thats what you want to do, thats fine, I found something else thats lifetime fill.

I have a T connector that you can hook a hose to it which flushes out the sytem as quick as you can ****! All it takes is to remove the radiator cap, open the drain valve, remove the T cap and twist the hose on, and that's quicker than you can take a dump! :biggrin: The T also allows for the air to escape when installing fresh water/coolant, as long as you have the top off.

Coolant temps are more of my concern over pressure and longevity.
 

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yamapowered said:
if you have to change coolant yearly because its in poor condition, thats what you want to do, thats fine, I found something else thats lifetime fill.
Im tired of changing bad oil and bad antifreeze.
I know there is better lubricant,coolant, then what the manufacture
or garage recommends.
so far Im happy with my results on 3 vehicles and evans coolant, 2 sho, 7.3 diesel, oh and works good too with ktm 125sx dirt bike.

you are right, conventional coolant does the job its the maintenance I dont agree with.
I rather use a lifetime advertised coolant.
All those tens of thousands of stupid SHO owners who've foolishly driven their cars billions of combined miles on conventional coolant... I guess the joke's on them! :rofl:

I for one think vodka would be far more suitable for use in the cooling system. :rolleyes:
 

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shojuan said:
About the Evans "100% inhibited propylene glycol" coolant I have some concerns to point out:


... I'm with Chris, this is a "solution" looking for a problem ...

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I agree with everything you say concerning thermophysical properties of water and glycols. Additionally the viscosity of glycols are much, higher than water (3x higher at cooling temperatures) which negatively effect the heat transfer coefficient.

There are many solutions to this cooling problem. Studies are going on now that look at two phase boiling flow to cool engines.

Regarding the the "solution" looking for a problem, I admit that in the six years that I've had this visible type filter in my system, I've drained about 1/8 to 1/4 of the tube of solids only a couple of times. The device DOES give you a visual indication of problems that might be going on and don't know of unless you look at the fluid - air bubbles, color change, etc.

Just to note, I am religious about changing coolant and keeping the system clean - I have the original stock water pump on my car at 315,000 miles. I've never had a water pump last that long.

:salute:
 

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