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no clue , but I do have a pioneer deck with the stock amp to the speakers , pioneer 3-way 150 watt speakers in the rear deck and sony explode 3-way 100 watt in the doors hooked up and it sounds amazing , not sure how but with the combination of deck and amp it sounds as if my sub is hooked up but I haven't hooked it up yet, I have no need for the factory sub but either way I'm installing an 8inch in the factory box and using an after market amp to run it.