HoustinoJillian

[cRaZySHO.]

Perhaps the seller not being there for the sale and the fact that you couldn't perform an adequate inspection of the car due to snow would have made re-scheduling to a later date a sensible course of action.

At almost $4000 for a 14-year-old car, I would never have skipped a thorough inspection and test drive.

Again, I'm not excusing any mis-representation or omissions by the seller, but a buyer has just as much responsibility to verify the condition of the car and not just take someone's word.

I'm sorry you feel that you got screwed in the deal. I don't deny that you may very well have been. But, what's done is done and now you need to concentrate on getting the issues with the car squared away and learning from this experience and applying it to future purchases.

Good luck!

Well put.

 

[HoustinoJillian]

i wasn't there because the car was put into storage 6 hours away from pittsburgh, and with no car, it's hard to get there. you had my cell number, and i was waiting phone in hand during the sale to answer any questions, which you knew about, and chose to not call. regardless, the title was in my mother's name, so she'd need to complete the sale even if i was able to be present.

like i said before, i made every attempt to be genuinely honest and correctly represent the car as i understood it. i didn't lie, i didn't try to swindle you, and i believe that you drove away with a car worth more than you paid. if you had not wanted the car at the time of sale, i would have kept it and sold it to someone else.

again, i hope the car treats you as well as it did me. out of all the cars i've driven, the 40+k miles i put into that car were some of the best.

 

[animex2]

TBH man, 99% of those problems are easy fixes. Annyoing at that, but easy.

The tabs that hold the door pannels into place cost like $5 for 10 of them, Any junkyard has Taurus Window Motors, I got 2 of them for $10 bucks at a pick and pull. Door speakers are also mad cheap at a pick and pull if your just going with stock ones. The antenna is a common issue as well.

The only things that you can really be mad over are the MAF (assuming you didnt know about it) and the tires getting switched up.

You do got to remember you are dealing with a 14+ year old car. Either way, you did get a **** of a deal considering all the stuff it came with.

 

[2Fast4U]

I've posted a lot the past couple weeks. I guess I have more time on my hands than normal....

In the past 12 years, since owning my first SHO, I've come to learn that most people (if any) represent their SHOs completely accurately, or at the very least rate their condition using the same criteria as I do. If I tell someone they're getting a like-mint SHO then they'll be walking away with a showroom ready car. But most wouldn't rate theirs with the same degree of discernment as I do. I've learned to expect less from others than I would myself and I expect things to be lost, broken, miswired, etc. when buying a SHO now. It's just how it is. I won't discount the OP's feelings with this just because I've personally come to expect certain things.

What I do find interesting though is the continual rush to defense of people in this community and the quick dismissal (and/or deletion of comments) of anyone who posts about a bad experience. I've been hosed more than once by members of the forum but have only posted one those experiences on here... only to find myself in the midst of a pack of wolves.

Maybe we should give a little more consideration to the OP as I'm sure he felt it was serious in order to post it on here.

My two cents

 

[cRaZySHO.]

Werd up.

On a serious note, thanks!

 

[Troywakeling]

What I do find interesting though is the continual rush to defense of people in this community and the quick dismissal (and/or deletion of comments) of anyone who posts about a bad experience. I've been hosed more than once by members of the forum but have only posted one those experiences on here... only to find myself in the midst of a pack of wolves.

Ive noticed this as well, more than likely because the SHO community is a small one and that makes it more personal.

 

[Bizzy]

What I do find interesting though is the continual rush to defense of people in this community and the quick dismissal (and/or deletion of comments) of anyone who posts about a bad experience. I've been hosed more than once by members of the forum but have only posted one those experiences on here... only to find myself in the midst of a pack of wolves.

Maybe we should give a little more consideration to the OP as I'm sure he felt it was serious in order to post it on here.

My two cents

I can understand where the OP felt slighted, but I also have to say that this is what happens when you or anyone rushes into a purchase without thinking about it and without giving the vehicle a proper inspection. I'm not attacking him by any means, I feel for the guy, but had there not been snow on the ground, etc. he probably would have given it a more proper inspection and he probably would have found at least some of the defects he describes. They could have been addressed before buying, perhaps even an adjusted price negotiated. But none of that happened.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... Hind sight is 20/20.

Now here's my .02 worth....

If the car's price was to include an LPM, then 1 of 2 things should happen. Either the LPM be produced, or a refund for equivalent value be issued. That much there is no questions on in my mind. Doesn't matter if that info was not removed from the ad, the buyer expected it to be there as listed in the ad and that should be rectified. The sending unit should also be rectified, either a refund issued or the unit be delivered. Depending on the brand, IIRC they're about $15 to $30.

For the other defects listed, ehhhh...one cannot say with any certainty that Justin knew for a fact that there were problems or not. When you buy a used car you have to expect that there will be some defects to pop up that were unknown and/or unpredictable by the seller. It's like driving an MTX car home and the diff blows. The seller had no way of predicting that it would blow. I do prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to folks, especially long time members, but I'm sure that if I was the buyer I would more than likely feel differently. But hey, we have to be reasonable thinkers when things like this happen.

As for edited or missing posts, I am unaware of any posts in this section that have been edited or removed in recent days. If you can show me specific threads that you're talking about, perhaps I can shine some light on the reasons why they were edited or removed. I can't think of any in recent days off the top of my head. The only posts that would be missing are ones that were off topic, those I would remove, or ones that are removed by the posters themselves. IIRC, I removed the ability of posters to be able to edit/remove their posts about a year or two ago.

In regards to wolf pack style attacks, I have seen very few. Sure, people are going to post their surprise when a well known person gets a bad report. People will show support for their friends. Some folks will ask about things that should have been during the inspection and test drive prior to buying. I also have no problem with that because knowing the whole story is helpful. I don't consider those to be wolf pack style attacks, especially when they're done in a respectful way. I also don't feel that the community as a whole should gain a bad reputation per say, for folks having addressed the items above.

Point is, the seller has responsibility to describe the car to the best of their ability, but this does not relieve the buyer of his/her responsibilities that he/she assumes when it comes to purchasing a used car. Any used car should be subjected to supreme scrutiny, but especially one that has a high price tag on it. It's just common sense.

Most cars are sold as-is/where is. Even in a court of law, the court will ask if the buyer took all the standard precautionary measures, ie: thorough inspection either by the buyer if he/she is a qualified mechanic or by a qualified mechanic. It's just good sense. If the buyer didn't take those precautionary measures then that is not the fault of the seller. Unless the car was grossly ill described, no court is going to award the buyer anything or relieve the buyer of responsibility. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the buyer to ensure that the car is what the seller says it is.

My opinion above should be taken as just that: my opinion. It is not an attack or flame aimed at the seller or the buyer or anyone else for that matter. I do hope that everything gets worked out between the OP and the seller in this case.

 

[dodgebusta]

Trust Bizzy, guaranteed she's purchased a few cars in the snow before, you know they do get a few dustings of snow in Mich. :woo-hoo: