Rubix
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Lord I hate posting threads asking for help, I hate asking for help. I'm getting tired of this car's stupid problems so I guess this is me being whiny and at the moment out of patience and self thought. Thank you in advance to anyone willing to throw ideas around with me.
Anyway, since this is an ongoing issue over the last couple months, bare with the novel you're about to (hopefully) read.
'93 atx, 3.2, no engine mods, just replaced about everything possible over the years with oem parts.
Fuel pump replaced well it's hard to say when but it was earlier this summer. I've put some big long distance miles on since the replacement; let's say about 3k miles ago since I'm about to do an oil change and I did the last one when I put the pump in. Ever since replacement, every once in awhile I get in the car turn the key and the fuel pump isn't priming or running. It had done this some before and eventually sat in the driveway for a week and wouldn't prime at all, which is why I replaced it. Now stilSo now being superstitious as I am when I get in the car and it won't run I'll sometimes let teh car roll back a few feet, hit the brakes, hear gas slosh around in the tank, and then the pump comes on when I turn the key again. Other times I'll pop the trunk, bang on the inertia switch reset it and it fires right up. I'm sure these are all random pointless things I do and aren't related to the fuel pump working or not. Bottom line, this car has occaisional no starts seemingly because no fuel pump power.
About two months ago I got fed up with this crap I mean i rplaced the fuel pump i shouldn't be having problems (it was a brand new bosch pump). So I pulled the pump out, checked electricals out and it's getting low power, about 8v. Battery and alternator are giving off proper readings both running and key off. I test power at the inertia switch, same readings as at the fuel pump. So there's a problem between the battery/alternator and the inertia switch. So ccrm? pcm? where would the next source be?. After a lot of research I find myself reading about ccrm stuffs. Researching all fo that made my head spin, pinouts, amps volts ohms omg lol so after awhile didn't have time or patience (or understanding quite honestly) to check the amps/volts/etc of each pinout from the ccrm. When the car was running which was most of the time, it ran like a top I mean damn this car had never run or pulled this strong. I did take off and clean and retighten all grounds under the hood and decided screw it i'll deal with occaisional no starts and see what happens. After ground cleanings I'm reading 9-10v at the fuel pump but it barely would hit 10, which is what I think the fuel pump truly needs after all the research i did. Since cleaning grounds, car has still ran great and the fuel pump issues have been much less frequent. Even noticed improvements in windows going up and down, radio power, headlight power, etc; I mean duh I cleaned all the grounds.
Today i drive the car to a sports event and parked in the shade. After an hour of playing football I start it up to go to the bar and the car is shaky, sounds like crap ( like a hole in the exhaust or something), low on power doesn't wanna go when I push the pedal. I mean it goes down the road but it's sloowwww, I put the pedal to the floor and it downshifts and gets loud but even when teh secondaries kick open it still doesn't pull like it should. It's like it's out of timing or the combustion is bad (like when I blew head gasket). I'm wondering if it's the fuel pump not getting enough power and not pushing enough gas. I'm wondering this bc of past troubles with pump getting enough power and bc of the codes it's got, listed below. I am noticing smoke coming up between the engine and the firewall, smells like exhaust, slight bluish color. Car sounds terrible, power and response is terrible. Now that I think about it maybe it's time to replace the cats. And writing that made me realize I should mention I replaced the o2 sensors when I did the head gasket job, that was less than 8k miles ago, probably way less maybe even 4-5k miles ago.
This car ALWAYS has the CEL on, and this car has ALWAYS given me code for DPFE, even after replacement.
Ran codes again briefly (again, lacking patience right now), just did a quick KOEO:
Go figure, 111
Stored codes though, 332 (DPFE iirc?) ,542, 543 (these are fuel pump codes right? I don't have a book or code list handy at the moment). I have a feeling this is something electrical. I'm wondering again like I was a few months ago if I should slap another ccrm or pcm or whatever in there just for laughs to see if thats the problem.
Bah, I'm so sick of these cars. v8 sho is down with a blown PS rack, regular taurus is just a piece of junk that's not currently road legal, and this one now giving me more problems (it literally has a problem every month). I swear every passing day is another day closer to me ditching these cars.
Anyway, since this is an ongoing issue over the last couple months, bare with the novel you're about to (hopefully) read.
'93 atx, 3.2, no engine mods, just replaced about everything possible over the years with oem parts.
Fuel pump replaced well it's hard to say when but it was earlier this summer. I've put some big long distance miles on since the replacement; let's say about 3k miles ago since I'm about to do an oil change and I did the last one when I put the pump in. Ever since replacement, every once in awhile I get in the car turn the key and the fuel pump isn't priming or running. It had done this some before and eventually sat in the driveway for a week and wouldn't prime at all, which is why I replaced it. Now stilSo now being superstitious as I am when I get in the car and it won't run I'll sometimes let teh car roll back a few feet, hit the brakes, hear gas slosh around in the tank, and then the pump comes on when I turn the key again. Other times I'll pop the trunk, bang on the inertia switch reset it and it fires right up. I'm sure these are all random pointless things I do and aren't related to the fuel pump working or not. Bottom line, this car has occaisional no starts seemingly because no fuel pump power.
About two months ago I got fed up with this crap I mean i rplaced the fuel pump i shouldn't be having problems (it was a brand new bosch pump). So I pulled the pump out, checked electricals out and it's getting low power, about 8v. Battery and alternator are giving off proper readings both running and key off. I test power at the inertia switch, same readings as at the fuel pump. So there's a problem between the battery/alternator and the inertia switch. So ccrm? pcm? where would the next source be?. After a lot of research I find myself reading about ccrm stuffs. Researching all fo that made my head spin, pinouts, amps volts ohms omg lol so after awhile didn't have time or patience (or understanding quite honestly) to check the amps/volts/etc of each pinout from the ccrm. When the car was running which was most of the time, it ran like a top I mean damn this car had never run or pulled this strong. I did take off and clean and retighten all grounds under the hood and decided screw it i'll deal with occaisional no starts and see what happens. After ground cleanings I'm reading 9-10v at the fuel pump but it barely would hit 10, which is what I think the fuel pump truly needs after all the research i did. Since cleaning grounds, car has still ran great and the fuel pump issues have been much less frequent. Even noticed improvements in windows going up and down, radio power, headlight power, etc; I mean duh I cleaned all the grounds.
Today i drive the car to a sports event and parked in the shade. After an hour of playing football I start it up to go to the bar and the car is shaky, sounds like crap ( like a hole in the exhaust or something), low on power doesn't wanna go when I push the pedal. I mean it goes down the road but it's sloowwww, I put the pedal to the floor and it downshifts and gets loud but even when teh secondaries kick open it still doesn't pull like it should. It's like it's out of timing or the combustion is bad (like when I blew head gasket). I'm wondering if it's the fuel pump not getting enough power and not pushing enough gas. I'm wondering this bc of past troubles with pump getting enough power and bc of the codes it's got, listed below. I am noticing smoke coming up between the engine and the firewall, smells like exhaust, slight bluish color. Car sounds terrible, power and response is terrible. Now that I think about it maybe it's time to replace the cats. And writing that made me realize I should mention I replaced the o2 sensors when I did the head gasket job, that was less than 8k miles ago, probably way less maybe even 4-5k miles ago.
This car ALWAYS has the CEL on, and this car has ALWAYS given me code for DPFE, even after replacement.
Ran codes again briefly (again, lacking patience right now), just did a quick KOEO:
Go figure, 111
Stored codes though, 332 (DPFE iirc?) ,542, 543 (these are fuel pump codes right? I don't have a book or code list handy at the moment). I have a feeling this is something electrical. I'm wondering again like I was a few months ago if I should slap another ccrm or pcm or whatever in there just for laughs to see if thats the problem.
Bah, I'm so sick of these cars. v8 sho is down with a blown PS rack, regular taurus is just a piece of junk that's not currently road legal, and this one now giving me more problems (it literally has a problem every month). I swear every passing day is another day closer to me ditching these cars.
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