Engine stumbling problem..help.. FIXED !!!!

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1992 MTX, 124K miles. This is the one that I just fixed the doors one.

The car stumbles at the bottom of the rev range. By stumble, I mean it seems like someone clamped the gas or air off. It pops some mini backfires out, and works fine at higher RPMS when you finally nurse it up there.

SO, I changes the plugs, wires, fuel filter air filter, thinking it was just in dire need of some basic tuning up. The plug wells were so full of oil, that when I took the plug wire out, it splashed all over, it was so bad it was actually runnign out the top of the holes, they were completely full. I figured I had found the culprit, and completed the job. I was the FIRST person to ever do this in this car, those wires or plugs *** never been changed, and that intake had NEVER been off. All shim clearances were in spec, and the inside was pretty darned clean, the oil was still clear-ish, no black mung or anything. NO wear marks on the cam lobes or anything.

So, got it all back together, fired right up, still has the stumbling problem. When you throttle up by hand, turning the throttle up at the throttle, it just sounds like it's being cut off of gas or air, and sputters, barely keeps running, then when you let go of the throttle, the revs snap right back up to high revs and normally comes down to idle. I checked to make sure the secondaries were closing when started, and they are engaging as expected when the car starts, all plugs are in the correct firing order, gapped correctly, new wires. This car has no EGR either. NO CODES!.

It idles fine, so pretty much from idle to about 2200, just stumbles, sputters, barely gets up to 2200, then it's fine and dandy above that RPM..

Any thoughts? I was going to swap out the y-pipe to see if maybe it was clogged/bad and see if that helped. I would think it would be worse at the top, than the bottom though, if it was the y pipe. Same with the fuel pump, I would think it would do worse at higher RPMs than lower..

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<small>[ September 02, 2003, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: Nook ]</small>
 

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How do you get the CPS as the culprit?

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How were the intake-to-head gaskets? I'm thinking you either have a vacuum leak; or maybe a fuel delivery problem related to the fuel pump, clogged injector, bad FPR; or perhaps (albeit less likely) a DIS or coil pack problem that's not generating a code.

Check your fuel pressure, and run the KOER tests including a cyl. bal. test to see if that helps you isolate which cylinder(s) may not be firing properly.

I'd discount the CPS since I've never seen a CPS problem that didn't generate at least one code.

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Not the CPS. It's not plugged cats either. That would cause limited power at higher rpms. Might want to check the throttle position sensor at AutoZone for discontinuities. AutoZone can do this for you. It should be a linear increase in resistance as the sensor is rotated.
 

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I remeber my car did the same thing, tyler (shonuff93) thought it was proll ythe cps becuz his did the same thing, got the new cps and ive never had the problem again. thumb
 

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I wasnt doubting the CPS, just wondering how it would affect like that, I assuemd it was an on or off kind of sensor.

I tried swapping out 2x other TPSs from other SHos, that were working fine, problem remained. I figured it wasnt the cats because the problem would get better as I got faster, same with fuel pump, but I have a few spare ypipes laying around I could try it with.

Is Autozone actually equipped to check a TPS like that?

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Like posted before I'd start with the MAF cleaning. Next step would be checking fuel pressure across the band from idle to 2200 rpm's where you are having the problem. Can't imagine the spark is cutting out between only certain rpm's. And if there was a vacuum leak it'd be constant and not at specific rpm's, right? So try to narrow the problem down to things that are RPM specific. MAF, TPS (already checked), CMP sensor, etc.
 

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Do I just clean the maf with a shot/wash of carb cleaner? I tried checking for vacuum leaks under the hood by spraying starter fluid all over, it's not sucking any in anywhere. fuwel pressure remained slightly lessunder accel, which is expecte,d and in fact backfired out the back, so Im assuming it's getting fuel, just no spark or air. Im leaning towards air mixture. Ive got spare DISs and coil packs, so I will rule those outin the mornign, and clean the MAF. Maybe I'll throw on that spare PRO-m one and see how that works too, heh.

CMP sensor?
 

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Nook,

I'd throw on a known good MAF.

If that doesn't fix it, I'd pull the top timing belt cover and check both the static camshaft timing and the belt tension. That backfire you mentioned makes me think that this is a possibility.

You can disconnect the CMP sensor and run without it. Same for the MAF sensor. Same for the BARO sensor. You will get a CEL, of course under these conditions.

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FIXED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was one of the suggested fixes, POLL on which one it was? It was just one. Take a guess !

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Tell, tell, tell!!! I was having the same problem where acceleration was kinda jerky below 2500 rpm and I'd get a clicking sounds/vibration in the gas pedal when accelerating. I changed my plugs, oil and O2 sensors and the sound/feel went away a little but it's still prevalent.
What fixed your problem??? I'm dying here... hail
 

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*DING*DING*DING*

It was the


MAF ! A couple squirts of fast evaporating electrode cleaner, 20 minutes of searching for the dropped tamperproof MAF bit I dropped in the gravel later, vroom. All happy.

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Hey B Fa Sho, do anyone know of just how fast are those '03 GTP's....faster than the Sho?
 

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You mean the newer model '04 GTP's?? I heard they're FAST, faster than the model before, especially with the Comp G package. With enhanced suspension components and 20 more hp, I'm sure it's a beast. I haven't had a chance to line up with one though. I'm sure a light to mediumly modded SHO could SHO it a thing or two. lol

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I'm having 100% the same issue. Haven't tried cleaning the MAF yet but I sprayed carb cleaner through the air intake and it doesn't stumble. I can rev the crap out of it, but once I stop revving it and then try and hit the throttle again it stumbles hard. It's makes a backfiring sound through the air intake tube

P.S sorry I know this post is from 2003 but my phone doesn't let me make a new post for some reason
 

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