Dyno tests of 73mm MAF sensor sample tubes

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sdpatt

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I had the old girl (268,400 miles) on the dyno Saturday (Dec 7th) to check her relative health and the effects of the different sample tubes on the Vortech 73mm MAF. The sample tubes were the 24 lb/hr tube originally equipped with the MAF sensor body and the 19 lb/hr Mustang-calibrated sample tube.

The dyno tests were successive and conducted without any aftermarket EPROM chips in the EEC. The comparison was an excellent demonstration of the changes that can be made with just the signal differences from the the mass air flow sensor since the actual air flow through the sensor was not affected.

My well seasoned engine is still generating 192.8 hp at the wheels (232.3 at the crank) on a relatively flat peak from about 5,700 rpm to 6,200 rpm. The power dropped off only slightly above the 6,200 rpm power peak to 178 hp (214.5) at 7,000 rpm. The torque figure peaked at 190.1 lb-ft (229.0 at the crank) at 4,200 rpm and was above 180 lb-ft (216.8) from 4,000 to 5,700 rpm. So my engine is still generating 5.6% more horsepower and 14.5% more lb-ft of torque than the ratings for a new SHO engine (220 hp and 200 lb-ft).

At 3,000 rpm, the lowest engine speed tested at full throttle, there was a gain of 12 hp and 20 lb/ft with the Mustang sample tube. By 3,500 rpm the difference was reduced to about 8 hp and 12 lb/ft. After the secondaries opened at 3,950 rpm, the difference held fairly constant at about 5 hp and 5 lb/ft.

The information I have read before indicated that the 73mm sensor body with the SHO injector-specific 24 lb/hr sample tube tended to run the SHO on the lean side. This was confirmed as the air:fuel ratio was as lean as 15.5:1 in the 3,000 - 3,500 rpm range and between 14.7:1 and 15.0:1 in the 3,500 - 5,500 rpm range. Beyond 5,500 rpm, the ratio dropped to a fairly constant 14.0:1.

With the Mustang's sample tube calibrated for 19 lb/hr injectors, the air:fuel ratio was kept very close to the stoichiometrically correct 14.7:1 up to 5,000 rpm and richened above that figure to about 12.5:1 at 7,000 rpm.

For those that have tested the engine's output with different chip calibrations, I would care to hear how these fuel curves compare to those that generated the best output. All of the other SHOs generated air:fuel curves that were significantly richer than those drawn by my engine.

Engine Output, 73mm MAF, 19 (Mustang) & 24 lb/hr (SHO) Sample Tubes

Horsepower @ rpm x 1000
SaT__3.0__3.5___4.0__4.5___5.0__5.5___6.0__6.5___7.0
19:__103__115__138__158__165__187__193__190__178
24:__090__108__125__153__160__184__190__187__N/A

Torque @ rpm x 1000
SaT__3.0__3.5___4.0__4.5___5.0__5.5___6.0__6.5___7.0
19:__182__172__182__185__180__180__167__155__132
24:__158__160__173__181__175__175__165__151__N/A

A picture is worth a thousand words...
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<small>[ December 09, 2002, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: sdpatt ]</small>
 

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Ok, bear with me Scott.

Did you test on the same day (atmospheric conditions, same dyno, etc.):
Stock 55mm MAF, no chip
73MM w/ 24# sample tube
73mm w/ 19# sample tube

There are too many variables with your "stock" numbers otherwise, too. Different dynos will generate totally different numbers, as will the same dyno on different days (temp, humidity, etc.).

Also, I'm getting lost in the non-19# numbers you're posting here.

Is it possible for you to put this into a table:

RPM . . . . 3000 . . 4000 . . 5000 . . 6000 . . 7300
STOCK
73-19
73-24

or something similar?

Thanks for the donation of the info though - appreciate seeing someone identifying the bonus areas & the air / fuel readings of the 2 sample tubes.
 

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The dyno runs were performed sequentially with the car still strapped to the dyno. The only change between tests was the MAF sample tube.

The reference to the dyno test last February was confusing and has been deleted. I brought that up to show the output (195.3 hp vs. 192.8 hp) on the two different days, two different dynos, was within measurement uncertainty. The old SHO still lives to breathe deeply.

<small>[ December 09, 2002, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: sdpatt ]</small>
 

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I was there, it was on the same machine, and one run after another, comparisons. Car never left the bay for all three runs. So there is not a weather differance, or dyno differance. Just real world #'s. I must say that with the #'s produced by Scott's car were quite impressive, especially since he has over a 1/4 million miles onthe old girl. :D His torque curve was also very impressive, partially due to his correct air/fuel mix. OH Scott has one **** of a nice handling/braking SHO. I just want to see his and Tony's readouts again. (tony had like 355@ the tires)with like 15psi. thumbs_u Thanx to all the great Lone Star guys. Craig
 

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I'm looking forward to seeing that plot. thumbs_u It sounds like money was well spent for a little checkup of your (not so) old girl. Nothing like a little run on the "treadmill" at the "doctor's" office to test out the heart hehe. thumbs_u

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I had NO question on the 19# vs 24# comparison - I understood that was on the same dyno strap-down. It was the stock numbers I was throwing some questionability on, especially where you reference % increase, etc. on the car.

Believe me, I'm not trying to be a **** or anything, and I'm certainly not calling BS or antyhing - just trying to keep it objective, as it's 3 variables introduced into the equation - atmospheric conditions, dyno accuracy, and mileage / condition of the car.

All in all, great showing Scott, especially with that mileage.

PS - funny you mention the 73mm. I was on eBay last night & bought another new 73mm to have / possibly throw on the 89. I personally like the C&L products, thought others don't.
 

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The graph is so blurry i cant see the diference in the numbers,have better pic?
And where can i get the 19lb/hr,and how much?
 

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Scott, or anybody else, please fill Tony in on where he can get the 19 lb/hr sample tube for his 73mm MAF.

Prophet: Looks like you've got a cheap mod available to you :)

Rick
 

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Thanks man! That is VERY usefull info. Now im even happier i bought my 73mm with the stang sample tube. People say they dont like the 73mm, maybe cuz they got it without the mustang sample tube? shrug
 

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I bought the 19 lb/hr sample tube from SP Motorsports (spmotorsports.com) for $29. Running the 24 lb/hr tube with the Superchip had an output curve very similar to the 19 lb/hr tube without the chip due to the richening from the chip's programming. Comparing the two curves last night, I found small gains across the board from the 19 lb/hr sample tube without the chip. I am probably going to reinstall the chip just to see what happens. But as I found before, my butt dyno is not so finely calibrated.

The unsteady curves also informed me that it was past time to replace my spark plug wires (100,000 miles and 5 years since installed). The SHO is getting a Christmas present as I plan to perform the upper end 60K (valve gapping, port cleaning, spark plugs, plug wires) and front end 60K (timing belt, crank seal, CPS, accessory belts) services, along with new fuel injector seals, O-rings on the valve cover bolts, new camshaft seals and possibly new connecting rod bearings. I just do not want to let this car stop running. I enjoy it too much.
 

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Thanks guys.Mine was running a little lean on the high rpms even with the superchip.So ill go for the 19lb/hr sample tube.
 

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Here is a photo of the inner workings of the Vortech 73mm MAF. The sample tube shown in the picture is the 24 lb/hr version that was supposedly calibrated for the SHO. The Mustang 19 lb/hr sample tube's tunnel is about 2 or 3 mm larger in diameter. The outside of the tube is the same dimension for both. The electronics are the stock SHO parts. They are attached by two screws. Simple swap.

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I bought a second hand C&L 73mm MAF for my SHO a while back and shelved it because my SHO ran like crap (or I should say idled like crap) when installed. My butt dyno noticed no performance gain either. The sample tube is approx 12mm. Is this the 19lb or 24lb.? I admit my SHO may have other issues, but I'm wondering if it was just the wrong sample tube.
 

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