D4U1 for 93 ATX

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Should I make the change to a D4U1 ECU or stay with the standard one.
I don't drive the car very hard.
Any long term 93 ATX owners that have not made the change?
Any imput or opinions would be helpful.
 

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How hard is it to swap out?
drop the tranny or plug and play - 10 minutes or 10 hours
 

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What are the benifts? Can it be done to 94's or what? Someone explain to a newbie, please? :)
 

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The D4UI is the 94-95 atx comuter...putting it into a '93 will give crisper shifts as the programming is improved in the D4. I ran on in my '93 and was pleasantly surprised with the results. My previous '93 was showing signs of slipping in higher rpms, the D4 dramatically help by firming up the shift and proably bought me a few more miles. For $100 or less as that is the going rate, I'd say it's a worth while investment.
 

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94/94 ATX came with a D4U1 computer from the factory. I will let Adam (Axianator) explain the technical part about programming. In short, the D4U1 was an improvement over the 93 computer with regard to ATX management control. There is a lot of good information on ATX and computer management in this forum. Read this post and do your own search.

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=50682

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BlackandBlue said:
94/94 ATX came with a D4U1 computer from the factory. I will let Adam (Axianator) explain the technical part about programming. In short, the D4U1 was an improvement over the 93 computer with regard to ATX management control. There is a lot of good information on ATX and computer management in this forum.
Actually, you summed it up pretty nicely, Eric. There's not much I could add without boring people with specifics ... ;)

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Also, you will need the D4UI if you plan on adding a LPM.
Quick side note: this restriction only applies to LPM's purchased from and/or programmed by Ted. When I have officially rolled out my soon-coming LPM programming service, I will offer programing for all 49-state and Canada V6 SHO calibrations. ;)
 

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maybe its just me, im glad I didnt buy one, just had it laying around, b/c I couldnt feel a big difference at all...still sloppy. Bigger tranny cooler...still sloppy.After owning two mtx cars its quite annoying...short of running the tweecer is there a chip to firm it up?
 

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JTSHO said:
maybe its just me, im glad I didnt buy one, just had it laying around, b/c I couldnt feel a big difference at all...still sloppy. Bigger tranny cooler...still sloppy.After owning two mtx cars its quite annoying...
As your paricular experience proves, the D4U1 upgrade (just like many upgrades) is not a "one size fits all" type of deal. Some people notice a change right off the bat while others do not see much improvement at all. In actuality, there is very little difference in the amount of line pressure that is commanded between the H3Zx and D4U1 programs. The D4U1's real advantange over the H3Zx lies instead with it's upgraded chipset and reworked transmission management logic, both of which contribute to the feel of "better shifting".

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short of running the tweecer is there a chip to firm it up?
There are several options, including an LPM from Ted Breaux, an SCT chip from Doug Lewis or a chip from myself. If a chip doesn't suit your fancy, then you can go the more hands-on route of controlling the EPC directly via a pressure riser, like this one:

epc_riser.jpg
 

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How to I get more information about the above options - chips or pressure riser ?
I have no idea where the chip would go or what benifits it would provide. I also have no clue what you mean by pressure riser.
any additional information and costs would be helpful.
Thanks
 

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Axianator said:
As your paricular experience proves, the D4U1 upgrade (just like many upgrades) is not a "one size fits all" type of deal. Some people notice a change right off the bat while others do not see much improvement at all. In actuality, there is very little difference in the amount of line pressure that is commanded between the H3Zx and D4U1 programs. The D4U1's real advantange over the H3Zx lies instead with it's upgraded chipset and reworked transmission management logic, both of which contribute to the feel of "better shifting".

There are several options, including an LPM from Ted Breaux, an SCT chip from Doug Lewis or a chip from myself. If a chip doesn't suit your fancy, then you can go the more hands-on route of controlling the EPC directly via a pressure riser, like this one:

epc_riser.jpg
is that just a mod to the existing trans plug, or is that another piece that you buy and then adjust???
 

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Axianator said:
As your paricular experience proves, the D4U1 upgrade (just like many upgrades) is not a "one size fits all" type of deal. Some people notice a change right off the bat while others do not see much improvement at all. In actuality, there is very little difference in the amount of line pressure that is commanded between the H3Zx and D4U1 programs. The D4U1's real advantange over the H3Zx lies instead with it's upgraded chipset and reworked transmission management logic, both of which contribute to the feel of "better shifting".

There are several options, including an LPM from Ted Breaux, an SCT chip from Doug Lewis or a chip from myself. If a chip doesn't suit your fancy, then you can go the more hands-on route of controlling the EPC directly via a pressure riser, like this one:

epc_riser.jpg
also, is that just cut and spliced in? or in parrallel??
 

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steellll said:
How to I get more information about the above options - chips or pressure riser ?
I have no idea where the chip would go or what benifits it would provide. I also have no clue what you mean by pressure riser.
any additional information and costs would be helpful.
A chip is a self-contained module that modifies certain portions of the factory programming by plugging into the J3 service port on the back of your car's computer (positioned behind your glovebox and above the heater core) and bypassing certain signals that are fed to the computer. Depending on the type of chip that you decide to purchase, costs for a new LPM or SCT chip on a Gen 2 ATX SHO can run anywhere from $200-400. FWIW, pricing schedule for my LPM's have yet to be determined.

A pressure riser works by splicing into the wiring harness plugged into the top of your tranny housing and modifying the signals that are fed to the EPC solenoid (which controls the line pressure inside the tranny). With enough resistance drop, the EPC solenoid can be fooled into thinking that the EEC is commanding more line pressure than it really is and voila - you have firmer shifts. Costs for the setup pictured above usually run around $10 in parts, provided you don't mind assembling and installing everything yourself.

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is that just a mod to the existing trans plug, or is that another piece that you buy and then adjust???

also, is that just cut and spliced in? or in parrallel??
The pressure riser pictured in the diagram above works by splicing into the existing tranny harness. There are also several aftermarket options available via BulkParts, Jeg's and Summit that will acheive the same result if you desire to go that route instead.
 

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Axianator said:
Actually, you summed it up pretty nicely, Eric. There's not much I could add without boring people with specifics ... ;)

Quick side note: this restriction only applies to LPM's purchased from and/or programmed by Ted. When I have officially rolled out my soon-coming LPM programming service, I will offer programing for all 49-state and Canada V6 SHO calibrations. ;)


...and why only 49 states......?

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...and why only 49 states......?
Since support for the California V6 MTX strategies is not atop my priority list, I had to put that standard disclaimer in there for those who were not aware. The good thing for us ATX'ers is that all Gen 2 ATX SHO's received the same calibration (depending on year), regardless of the vehicle's original point of sale.

California MTX guys need not worry, though, as we will eventually support their calibrations as well. ;)
 

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Axianator said:
A chip is a self-contained module that modifies certain portions of the factory programming by plugging into the J3 service port on the back of your car's computer (positioned behind your glovebox and above the heater core) and bypassing certain signals that are fed to the computer. Depending on the type of chip that you decide to purchase, costs for a new LPM or SCT chip on a Gen 2 ATX SHO can run anywhere from $200-400. FWIW, pricing schedule for my LPM's have yet to be determined.

A pressure riser works by splicing into the wiring harness plugged into the top of your tranny housing and modifying the signals that are fed to the EPC solenoid (which controls the line pressure inside the tranny). With enough resistance drop, the EPC solenoid can be fooled into thinking that the EEC is commanding more line pressure than it really is and voila - you have firmer shifts. Costs for the setup pictured above usually run around $10 in parts, provided you don't mind assembling and installing everything yourself.

The pressure riser pictured in the diagram above works by splicing into the existing tranny harness. There are also several aftermarket options available via BulkParts, Jeg's and Summit that will acheive the same result if you desire to go that route instead.
ok, so.... i'm a bit confused on how it works... the swtiches and relays are attached in series with the EPC signal return right? not parrallel. as in.. cut the wire and attach one end to the switches and the other to the relays like this..
pigtail--switches---relays--harness.

how does a lower resistance risister make for firmer shifts but then two resisters together make for even firmer ones.... that's odd.
 

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ok, after much review i have decided that this diagram makes no sense. as it reads it is impossible for it to work the way it says..

if it is attached in series (cut return wire routed through this circut) then both switches open would certainly not return the shifting to normal because there would be no path for the return signal..

if it's attached in a loop and just connected to the return wire, it wouldn't do anything at all.

so.. um.... what??? :confused:

acctually.. it almost looks as if it should be hooked up jumping between the power and return wires....
 

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