Could SHOnut FPR cure low RPM studdering & bogging?

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I would not worry about the electrodes, mine look like that. I'm looking into it presently. What I would concern myself with is that bad plug.

bad wire to that plug or bad injector to that cylinder.
 

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It looks like this thread has been quiet for a while. Is that because you have fixed the problem? If not, have you replaced the coil pack or swapped it with a different one? Or did I overlook a post?
 

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I was about to ask the same question of RaptorSHO. My car's problem has been diagnosed. --The fuel pump. Can't maintain fuel pressure. My car still runs decent for the moment so I'm going to put off replacing it. I'm desparate to get my A/C fixed first. It's aready pretty warm here in Georgia.
 

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THought I answered earlier: Mine was a bad plug wire. A set of Taylors fixed it right up, but I did get a fuel pump replaced out of the deal.

morebhp: your fuel pump is a 1 1/2 hour project if you cut the hole in the floor.
 

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Leather first, then foam and finally steel. :rofl:

Just kidding. Always read my entire post BEFORE disregarding it.

It's the steel floorpan right above the fuel pump.

Tom
 

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It's a lot more work than cutting a hole in your floor pan, though I hate to see that done on cars that don't have rust. Can't use a sawsall, the blade's too long and will snag and cut the fuel lines and wires. You need to use a dremel like tool and set it to only cut deep enough to get through the steel. Save the piece and you can use it to patch the hole to help keep out the wind snow and rain.

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Intermittant and consistant running like crap can also be caused by a so-called 'crank cancer', as the timing is affected (the crank sprocket triggers the crank sensor, which all the electronic timing events are based on) as well as valve events.

My personal opinion is that people don't tighten the crank pulley bolt properly when R&R'ing the crank pulley (or perhaps it's not tightened properly at the factory, but I'm sure there aren't that many factory tightened crank bolts left ...). This reduces the clamping force on the timing belt sprocket, and the non-uniform loading on the poorly clamped crank sprocket eventually starts it rocking on the key, which leads to crank sprocket and key wear, and if left long enough, the crank gets damaged.

The sad thing is that someone who performs regular maintenance is more likely to be R&R'ing the crank pulley, and since it's such a PITA to tighten that bolt properly (you really need a flywheel holder), it's not tightened properly and gets loose, causing sprocket/key and even crank damage. Of course all items are obsolete ...

To check if that's the issue, remove the upper timing belt cover, and using a wrench, slowly rotate the crank forward and backwards. The timing belt MUST move with the crank. If there's a significant pause in timing belt motion response on change of crank rotation direction (or heaven forbid, the bolt is loose), then the crank sprocket is rocking on a damaged key, and the sprocket and even crank may be damaged. You can also check if you can rotate the cams without rotating the crank. If you catch it early enough, the crank may not be damaged.

Another cause for low RPM hesitation is a bad MAF. I've seen this countless times, even on the same car with a MAF that's already been replaced. It seems to affect the late model cars more with the F1ZZ (IIRC) MAF. If the car runs better with the MAF disconnected (ignore poor throttle response), the the MAF is likely the culprit. Swapping another bad MAF from another car may not help diagnose that one.

Finally, even if it's only to borrow one, a TwEECer RT will allow you to SEE what the EEC is seeing for sensor inputs, like ACT, TPS and ECT etc. and what it is commanding for timing and fueling etc. Even if the sensor is good, bad wiring may mess up the signal. Instead of spending money and time replacing sensors 'just in case', money spent on a TwEECer RT can help you spot the problem, and then you have a tuning tool forever. A sticking throttle cable may prevent the throttle from opening all the way, and you can spot this by seeing a WOT TPS voltage that is low. KAM trims that are pegged at 10:1 and HEGO's that are pegged at low voltage during closed loop can tell you that there isn't enough fuel pressure/or dirty injectors. You can SEE if your HEGO's are working properly, or are just sluggish. The list goes on.

Tighten your crank pulley bolts properly people! :)

P.S. to address the thread title, our FPR will only help a car that has an over-sized (190 or higher) fuel pump, unless the stock FPR is actually bad (rare). A full discussion of fuel pressure and how to measure it is here:

http://www.shonutperformance.com/FPR.htm
 
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Try load testing the car with external fuel pressure guage in place. Hood open, set parking brake firmly, make sure there are no toddlers or pets or what have you in front of the car. Put in in first, give it a little gas, partialy release the clutch, you will see the engine tilt a little. Observe fuel pressure changes.

At 62 K, are you still on the original clutch? zak
 

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I have seen a back fire through the intake caused by a bad cam sensor and leaky injectors. This was only on start up, however.
 

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Hopefully "Mr. Joshua" will chime in. He is the master of the fuel pressure regulator.







Oops, he did.
 
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I'll be brief: Got a used '92 last year, bad stumble at low to mid-RPMs, much feathering of clutch to get going. Replaced the fuel pump with a "performance" unit from RCM. Didn't help much. The codes had indicated a grounding issue with the fuel pump. Went for a ride just to air it out (by this time I had replaced plugs and wires, partly to check the condition of each cylinder and to see how easy it is to remove the upped manifold) and about the time I hit 7,000 in second it died, cold. I suspected the the crankshaft position sensor from the symptoms. Had it towed to a Ford dealer in Portland (Oregon, about 35 miles from where I live). It was the cpos (sic?) that caused it to just die, but what may have been causing the low RPM stunble was the IRCM (intergrated relay control module). If this is defective and/or poorly grounded the fuel pump will not work well, in particular (oddly enough) at lower RPMs. Period. It ran and now continues to run great after the dealer replaced this module.

Weird. I had also replaced the camshaft position sensor myself and was at the end of my home repair testing and repair capability as I had eliminated what I thought were all possible issues before the cpos failed. I don't think that your low end stumble is caused by a defective cpos, but maybe it is? The IRCMs are not cheap, and if you are going to look for a used part you have to be certain to match it up to your specific model, and do NOT use one from another model of Taurus as the wires in the connectors and circuits do not match up functionally even though they look identical externally. Seems that the bozo mechanic who owned the car before me had (among many other poor "fixes" - the list would be depressing to anyone who loves SHOs and other high performance autos) replaced the IRCM with one from a 3.0 Vulcan engine. They are even different, IIRC, between an MTX and an ATX.

Not sure that this will help, but have that IRCM and its ground checked before giving up completely. If you like, find a schematic, identify the color and position of the IRCM ground wire, and splice in at least a 16 gauge wire and ground it well, close to the IRCM module itself.

???

Love this old SHO now! Great mountain road carver, and keeps up with traffic on the Interstates.
 
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