Catch can.

[Kyle Mott]

You boys ready to get butt hurt?
Kyle, this place is a little bit like an old golfer's lounge, for the most part. They enjoy buying and showing off their new drivers, walrus dick leather gloves, and bespoke balls. Working on their short game is not even top 5 in the priorities list. In other words, they can't connect with you for reasons like... they are not broke enough to need to innovate and they probably look down on it.
There are some guys on here that work with their hands, build their own stuff... work on their short game. They are just unfortunately not present on this specific thread.

Thanks man you have been chill, even if I had the money tho to be honest I’d probably still try it just to do it differently and say I made it work even if I was gonna do a upr in the long run.
Why do you People think the market for parts is so small? Because no one tries different things lol

 

[stripSHO]

I love the assumptions being made.
1) no, I have no oil on my firewall or on my engine. The engine has an oil separator mounted to the valve cover that keeps any oil from getting past the breather.
2) Yes, I have a PCV still since the letters stand for Positive Crank Vent and I'm still venting the crank pressure. I'm just not recirculating it to my intake so it can cook on the backside of my intake valves.

Sorry bud but I think you’re missing the point of the word positive in the acronym, meaning definite continual fresh air exchange in the crankcase. If you’ve just got breathers without a vacuum source (or at least a draft tube, or maybe a small mechanical fan or something) then you’re not venting at all. You’re just pressure-relieving and your crankcase will be saturated with blow by gas at all times. Of course do what you want but I don’t think you’re doing your engine any favors, so I just figured I should mention it.

 

[SM105K]

You boys ready to get butt hurt?
Kyle, this place is a little bit like an old golfer's lounge, for the most part. They enjoy buying and showing off their new drivers, walrus dick leather gloves, and bespoke balls. Working on their short game is not even top 5 in the priorities list. In other words, they can't connect with you for reasons like... they are not broke enough to need to innovate and they probably look down on it.
There are some guys on here that work with their hands, build their own stuff... work on their short game. They are just unfortunately not present on this specific thread.

Wrong again. Everyday the same questions get asked. When the best and simplest solution is present, people then cry about that solution.

 

[SM105K]

Thanks man you have been chill, even if I had the money tho to be honest I’d probably still try it just to do it differently and say I made it work even if I was gonna do a upr in the long run.
Why do you People think the market for parts is so small? Because no one tries different things lol

Wrong again.

 

[SM105K]

Sorry bud but I think you’re missing the point of the word positive in the acronym, meaning definite continual fresh air exchange in the crankcase. If you’ve just got breathers without a vacuum source (or at least a draft tube, or maybe a small mechanical fan or something) then you’re not venting at all. You’re just pressure-relieving and your crankcase will be saturated with blow by gas at all times. Of course do what you want but I don’t think you’re doing your engine any favors, so I just figured I should mention it.

I wasn't going get that involved, but you are correct. Saving money to reinvent the wheel usually leads to wasted time, and wasted money.

 

[Zpak]

I don’t get it Kyle. You asked for information on how to route the lines and opinions thereof. You received both. Short of someone coming to build it for you what more could you have expected to get from this post?

I said I understand the cost limitation, and applauded your desire to build it yourself. I explained exactly how a company who spent the time and money in R&D decided was the best way for it to be ran.

My car, and I assume yours, is my daily driver. I’m not going to risk it’s health with experimentation. I also don’t have the prestigious title of engineer, so I stick with what has been proven to work.

 

[SHOCALL]

Thanks man you have been chill, even if I had the money tho to be honest I’d probably still try it just to do it differently and say I made it work even if I was gonna do a upr in the long run.
Why do you People think the market for parts is so small? Because no one tries different things lol

The aftermarket parts supply for the SHO is small, the demand for these parts is small compared to many vehicles such as the Jeep Wrangler. My wife is on her 4th Wrangler. We get a magazine every month from a Jeep aftermarket retailer. I often wish this was the case for our cars, but it's not. There are not enough SHOs in the marketplace to demand a large supply of aftermarket parts.
This forum has existed for a long time. It existed before you became a member. The men/women of this forum have already been through what you desire to do numerous times. It is through their trial and error that we learn.
Just because you didn't like the responses given to you, doesn't make anyone mean spirited. You were given honest input. That is priceless.

 

[stripSHO]

I wasn't going get that involved, but you are correct. Saving money to reinvent the wheel usually leads to wasted time, and wasted money.

Oh don't get me wrong, I still think a dual port setup is a gimmicky overpriced waste of money for any street car. The amount of time your car actually spends in boost makes it all pointless. BUT, for argument's sake let's say you DO need/want a high end dual port - for the price you'd pay for a UPR with all the add-ons you could get an RX kit with twin cans, all the check valves included, etc. I've read independent tests where people have installed an RX can downstream of their UPR and the RX caught 4x the oil that that the UPR just let pass through. Something to think about...

 

[Kyle Mott]

This forum is shit

 

[Nova]

This forum is THE shit!

Fixed it for you, you're welcome

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[luigisho]

This forum is shit

 

[SM105K]

Oh don't get me wrong, I still think a dual port setup is a gimmicky overpriced waste of money for any street car. The amount of time your car actually spends in boost makes it all pointless. BUT, for argument's sake let's say you DO need/want a high end dual port - for the price you'd pay for a UPR with all the add-ons you could get an RX kit with twin cans, all the check valves included, etc. I've read independent tests where people have installed an RX can downstream of their UPR and the RX caught 4x the oil that that the UPR just let pass through. Something to think about...

Please post those independent tests.

 

[stripSHO]

Please post those independent tests.

I read it here, post #37: https://themustangsource.com/forums/f726/oil-catch-can-comparison-test-results-531966/index2/

Yeah I know, no credible source for the report and whatnot. But do take not of how the author even subsequently upgraded their UPR and It still allowed more oil to pass through than it collected. Here’s the text so you don’t have to sift through the other forum BS-

-oops it exceeds this forum’s character limit so you’ll have to follow the link

edit: found the original thread. First link is still good though as all the info is condensed into that one post. https://www.f150forum.com/f70/5-0-upr-vs-rx-catch-can-effectiveness-test-254381/index3/

 

[SM105K]

I read it here, post #37: https://themustangsource.com/forums/f726/oil-catch-can-comparison-test-results-531966/index2/

Yeah I know, no credible source for the report and whatnot. But do take not of how the author even subsequently upgraded their UPR and It still allowed more oil to pass through than it collected. Here’s the text so you don’t have to sift through the other forum BS-

-oops it exceeds this forum’s character limit so you’ll have to follow the link

That test isn't relevant to our application. It was done a N/A 5.0 with a completely different UPR set up. It was also performed 6 years ago.

This test is comparing apples to oranges honestly.

To reproduce this test, you would need to duplicate it on our cars.

I doubt any oil/sludge would exit my UPR can because of the actual amount captured and because of the design.

 

[6500rpm]

OP, RX and UPR are both good units, plenty of YouTube videos on installation that you can copy. The RX site has both YouTube links and an actual diagram to follow if you want to replicate.
As for the RX can catching what the UPR missed, I'd chalk that up to probably neither being capable of catching 100% of anything and the RX being downstream of the UPR there's some additional cool down and condensation available.
I look at it like the large IR air compressor at work. It has a series of tubing, fins, and a fan to cool down the compressed air and let moisture condense to the drain. Then we have a second air conditioned dryer further down to really cool the air and take out the remaining moisture.
It's just my opinion, that having time to cool the blow by gasses to condense is probably one of the most important factors, so length of hose and placement of the can should be a big consideration.

 

[Kevin81]

This forum is shit

Don't let a few opinions burn bridges. This is a great resource, and, in my opinion, a pretty fun group. Yes, some folks here might not approve your experimentation. So what? You've got their opinions, which is what you came for...now try it out. Off the beaten path means just that. That path less taken is less taken exactly because its not as easy. Just. Post your findings.

Shoot, you shoulda seen the Crap I stirred up by confessing to being a Chevy guy, lol.

 

[Kevin81]

OP, RX and UPR are both good units, plenty of YouTube videos on installation that you can copy. The RX site has both YouTube links and an actual diagram to follow if you want to replicate.
As for the RX can catching what the UPR missed, I'd chalk that up to probably neither being capable of catching 100% of anything and the RX being downstream of the UPR there's some additional cool down and condensation available.
I look at it like the large IR air compressor at work. It has a series of tubing, fins, and a fan to cool down the compressed air and let moisture condense to the drain. Then we have a second air conditioned dryer further down to really cool the air and take out the remaining moisture.
It's just my opinion, that having time to cool the blow by gasses to condense is probably one of the most important factors, so length of hose and placement of the can should be a big consideration.

Being a mountain boy from SC, I like your analogy to one of my own...a still.

 

[SM105K]

Don't let a few opinions burn bridges. This is a great resource, and, in my opinion, a pretty fun group. Yes, some folks here might not approve your experimentation. So what? You've got their opinions, which is what you came for...now try it out. Off the beaten path means just that. That path less taken is less taken exactly because its not as easy. Just. Post your findings.

Shoot, you shoulda seen the Crap I stirred up by confessing to being a Chevy guy, lol.

I came from the Turbo LS crowd. I have zero brand loyalty. I buy and drive what fits my needs at that time in my life. All of my current vehicles all have something in common however. All are four door and all are turbo.

 

[stripSHO]

That test isn't relevant to our application. It was done a N/A 5.0 with a completely different UPR set up. It was also performed 6 years ago.

This test is comparing apples to oranges honestly.

To reproduce this test, you would need to duplicate it on our cars.

I doubt any oil/sludge would exit my UPR can because of the actual amount captured and because of the design.

I found the original source and added the link above. There you can also find where an RX rep ranks the 4 top catch can manufacturers with the others “not performing well enough to rank” - UPR no makey the listy.
I can agree with the sentiment to a small extent, but the cans don’t know what engine they’re hooked to and it’s irrelevant to the efficiency of the elements within. This provides ample evidence of the general effectiveness of one manufacturer’s product vs another. Note the author shared the same skepticism as you but the performance difference is pretty overwhelming. Sure, UPR has probably changed designs since but so has RX and here’s what you get from them for a very similar price point as an optioned UPR: http://teamrxp.com/products/ford-sho-2010-2015-rx-catch-can-kit
I’m just stating that though UPR is AN answer, they are not THE ONLY answer nor are they even necessarily the best answer in terms of performance or value. Not trying to get myself into a drawn out debate over products that I don’t really care much about either way.

 

[SM105K]

I found the original source and added the link above. There you can also find where an RX rep ranks the 4 top catch can manufacturers with the others “not performing well enough to rank” - UPR no makey the listy.
I can agree with the sentiment to a small extent, but the cans don’t know what engine they’re hooked to and it’s irrelevant to the efficiency of the elements within. This provides ample evidence of the general effectiveness of one manufacturer’s product vs another. Note the author shared the same skepticism as you but the performance difference is pretty overwhelming. Sure, UPR has probably changed designs since but so has RX and here’s what you get from them for a very similar price point as an optioned UPR: http://teamrxp.com/products/ford-sho-2010-2015-rx-catch-can-kit
I’m just stating that though UPR is AN answer, they are not THE ONLY answer nor are they even necessarily the best answer in terms of performance or value. Not trying to get myself into a drawn out debate over products that I don’t really care much about either way.

I am not taking a RX rep's test/word on how much their product works better. I don't with any product. I look at real world test and results.