914-SHO Project Thread

[3d914]

Thanks Phoenix,

The rotisserie was my first welding project. Part of the motivation behind this conversion was to take on learning welding and fiberglass. Our own minds convince us there are things we can't do, when in fact there may be untapped skills that go unused our whole lives. I saw that in myself with my last 914 project, and I'll be looking for it again in this project.

Enjoy!

 

[Shoaz]

I weighed the 3.2 myself and there is NO WAY the SHO weighs nearly 500 lbs. I measured it at 380 lbs., just a little bit heavier then the 2300. That info plus the emperical data in the pic says the SHO ain't as heavy as I have always heard.

What was the condition of the motor when you weighed it? Having participated in an actual, honest-to-god weighing of a dressed (i.e., complete, with accessories) SHO motor on a freight scale, I can attest that it does, in fact, weigh 500lbs in that condition.

Start stripping things like accessories, brackets, intake, whatever, and it's going to, believe it or not, get lighter.

And the pic doesn't mean much since, as you said, there are still things missing. How much is missing isn't specified.

FWIW, I took a 3.2 out of an ATX SHO and put the same 3.2 back in, and you know what? The front end rose at least an inch.

Before (the first car on the left):



After (and this is even under braking):



Another view from the same day:

 

[Off Road SHO]

As much as I hate agreeing with that SHOAZ dude (AKA a wanabe smart person), the SHO motor does indeed weigh 498 pounds in full dress. The freight scale he was referring to is mine, and I did the weighing. Oh, that was without oil also.

Tom

 

[HotRodKid]

Toss the HEAVY factory intake manifold(40+lbs, if I remember right), make some carbon fiber cam covers(22lbs for 2), and use a 9lb flywheel(21lbs for the stocker) and you could be looking at a 350lb motor.

im sorry, ive hauled 50lb bags of dog food, and complete sho intakes, they are NO WHERE CLOSE to each other in weight

i just did some weighing, plenums and runners are 19.some odd lbs, add the butterflies, TB and cross over and MAYBE your at 25 .... maybe

and your never gonna save 22 pounds on the cam covers

and please dont try to use ride height comparisons, unless the car is complete and has been driven to settle the suspension. ive done many motor swaps and every single one sat higher right after the swap, especially if the car had been sitting for a while with the engine out

 

[Shoaz]

Insult me again and and there will be no more conversation between us.

What insult?

If you wanna leave on every bracket, nut and bolt on it in the sense of fairness or whatever, be my guest.

The point was to clarify under what conditions the motor weighs 500lbs. Other folks have arrived at the same number (which, I suspect, is why you referenced it), and if someone gets different results a natural question is to clarify what was different. 120lbs is a lot to lose, and I suspect that even all the accessories and their cast-iron brackets may not reach that.

Since most cars need most, if not all, of the accessories, weighing a dressed motor with them installed is a useful measurement.

That's not to say it's a bad project. A 914 with a SHO motor has been talked about dreamily here many times over the years, as have other interesting transplants. To each their own, and kudos to anybody who dares to dream and do. Being realistic about the issues is the way to real success, IMHO, and having realistic expectations makes for a lot better decision making along the way, I think.

An operable SHO motor, in similar dress as the operable 2300, weighed 380lbs.

So what did, and what didn't, get weighed, and how?

 

[USHOMEISHOU]

:corn:

 

[ManySHOs]

You're clueless.

If you don't see the insult, I don't want to deal with you.

They'll just keep coming, in the name of "honesty" and "just telling the truth"

One of the best pieces of advice I ever recieved was to avoid people that give you an unneccesary hard time.

This applies here.

See the insult or don't address me again.

If you think that you've being insulted by what SHOaz/Eric said in this thread, you've got some issues. That's probably the nicest way to put it.

EDIT: Page 59 of the SHO Engine Operations manual, Copyright 1988 Ford Motor Company, lists the engine weight at 485 lbs. I suppose that they are lying too.

Ian

 

[ManySHOs]

Nevermind.


Ian

 

[Devin]

Hey, chill out. Stop trying to start something. If you don't agree, just don't agree. Otherwise I have a feeling this thread is on it's way to being locked.

 

[HotRodKid]

dude, do you really have sooo much sand in your crack over this that your still irritated?

FAIL !

 

[revhardSHO]

Guess I didn't remember right.

Sometimes the truth hurts. It happens to everyone. You just have to move on. The SHO engine has a cast iron block. Its a heavy SOB and it weighs 500lb off the assembly line.

 

[tempname]

ohhhhhhh ok i get it....BTW where the **** is that insult?

 

[Shoaz]

Sensitive much?

It looks to me like SHOs and the internet aren't for you.

I suggest you get yourself a Mustang (maybe an SVO) and try corral.net. Or a Honda.

 

[Devin]

Go check out superhighoutput.com

Bye bye! :wave:

 

[Off Road SHO]

I'm about ready to delete all this nonsense.

Tom

 

[HotRodKid]

yep, time for a thread cleanup. or split the thread into a tech thread and a polly pissy pants thread

 

[Adumb]

i hate seeing good threads get ruined

 

[ManySHOs]

This site hasn't done me any good.

I was insulted a few times, once from ignorance, once from arrogance and others because that's the way you dudes are. I'm not touchy, but a lot of the personalities on this site rub me wrong.

You dudes seem to barely know SHO's, and you haven't help me on ANY of my issues I've had with these POS vehicles. Check it out. I diagnosed my own problems or they haven't been addressed.

I'll trust my own judgement over anyones I've heard from here, including the weight issue in dispute.

I'm not coming back.

Minor pet peeve of mine? It's YOU'RE, not YOUR, you arrogant *******.

That's funny. I decided to read your posts and I didn't see any obvious insults jumping off of the pages.

This is not the peganitforum. We aren't sitting around as one giant collective waiting to diagnose your problems. Ownership of the car means that the problems are ultimately your responsibility. We might be able to offer you advice but the last time I checked, this is a free forum and nobody here is getting paid for responding to your posts. I don't think that anyone could have diagnosed that your timing belt was off by 2 teeth and that you found a peanut in your timing belt cover without seeing the car first hand.

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=90303

So cry me a river; you had to pick up a wrench and do some work yourself. I can imagine why you're upset. (That is sarcasm by the way.)

Oh, and by the way, if you're cracking down on spelling, it's "bullet", not "bullit".

Grow up, grow some thicker skin, and get over yourself.

Ian

 

[Tecchie]

I second that....

 

[SuperHO]

Wow....and from Michigan, no less. And people wonder why I don't like yankees...


Anyway..back on topic. What's the news with the 914?