$50 to the one that solves this.

[doclees]

Something is melting down starters in my 89. The starter doesn't disengage even with key out. I am on my 3rd starter, second relay, second ignition switch and second key switch in a few thousand miles. Other symptoms include draining the battery to the point of killing it, rare hard start like battery near dead but reset key and it starts normal, intermittent bucking like electrical or gas is getting cut off in a regular pulse. Grounds have been checked. The first one to get this gremlin out of my beast gets a $50 postal money order.

Thanks. I hate electrical stuff.

 

[TwistedMunky]

I would check continuity between Ground, to starter and look for the short. Im guessing there is a small enough short somewhere allowing enough juice to ge to the starer but not spin it. Hook up your ohm meter between the positive side of the battery and the positive cable. look at the amp draw, start from the starter back disconnecting the the positive cable. keep going back untill the draw is gone.


This is how I would trouble shoot it. Many people work in different ways. I'm just trying to help.

 

[SHO1]

Maybe a short in one of the cables or wires between stater/relay/battery somewhere that is intermittenly touching frame or something else. Check and make sure no cables or wires are being rubbed on by the clutch cable/fork lever on top of the tranny when it is moved back and forth. Relay to starter cable runs across there and can easily get in the way if not tied up properly.

 

[Racer X]

Carefully check your battery cables, and clean your battery terminals with a battery brush.

 

[Shovert]

I am unsure on the 89 face it I am dealing with a 94 motor. Does it have the starter relay on the fender? If so is it aftermarket from autoparts? Does it have 4 terminals? If so did it originally have the 3 terminal one? Now to a solution my 89 Mustang went thru 2 starters and 3 of those relays. What solved it was a Ford factory 3 terminal original one from Ford. Hope that helps.
Now I did not have the bucking problems.
Maybe helps maybe not good luck. Maurice

 

[shotime1994]

Ccrm?

 

[doclees]

Thanks folks. Now some of those things have been checked. What I would like with the proposed fix is the rationale on how it could be causing the melt downs with the key off and out? I've shot it the dark enough.

 

[TwistedMunky]

The wiring for the starter is pretty easy. the positive lead from the battery goes to the starter relay on the fender. it then runs down to the starter. The input for the signal for the relay comes from the switch thru the neutral saftey switch to the relay. with the car off and the starter stuck check voltages from the side of the relay that feeds the starter it should be dead.

 

[theman88b]

Make sure your battery cable at the starter (hot wire) isn't touching the signal wire which activates the solenoid, that would make the starter run at all times.

 

[SHOtime2511]

Have you tried bench testing the starters?
That should at least tell you if it is something inside the starter or your cars wiring.

 

[mrecoolgar]

You are not alone. http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=117564

 

[Shovert]

I had alot of problems with starter relay. As far as starter had same problems as you it keep running and taking cable off battery made it quit. Even taking the small trigger wire off, it keep running. [Autoparts ones are JUNK] Like already mention by others inspect cables carefully for worn or bulged areas [corrision] If find replace. Also check the grounds near batter. Especially if one has a plug connection [looks like fuse]. Like said electrical acting up when want to can be nightmare. Maurice
If does again and hope for you not. I first determined mine bad by smacking the solinoid on fender with wood end of hammer and it quit turning over. I replaced relay on fender. Did it again this time took out starter. Replaced starter, both battery wires, and relay. Did it again. Replace relay differant autoparts place. Did it again. Replaced with Ford used one I had. Problem solved. New one in tunk of car now [just in case]. All this happen in 2 weeks. Been solved over a year now. This is on my 89 2.3 turbo Mustang

 

[jc2001s]

Joe pipe in on this one if I am wrong but I believe he had the same issue and he had to remake all the stater cables and it solved it. Somewhere you have cancer in a wire or cross over on a wire. Sorry you probably have to do it...but if you can make them all yourself and use a good gauge wire and after installing the ends put some heat shrink with clear silicon inside to seal the ends up really good.

 

[doclees]

OK rockauto lists a ccrm as a starter relay. Anyone know if can dump juice into starter when bad? Also see a starter relay cut out listed. Any info on that part?

 

[whiteguy3]

You need to replace the battery cables and terminals. That should fix your problem.

 

[doclees]

Follow up. I replaced the Eschlin? solenoid with a Motorcraft. Under Kevin's supervision a brief event of the stuck on phenomenon was seen before this swap. Cables look good. Motorcraft solenoid does have a warning to replace with only OEM parts but that could just be sales. I will drive it a while before announcing a winner. The only symptom the winning fix needs to solve is the starter stuckon/meltdown. I know my CCRM is less than perfect with a rare slap needed to get the fuel pump flowing. Have a known good M ready to swap.

 

[Shovert]

Seems to be a "common" problem with starter solinoid and "older cars". Happen also on site I am on a Mustang SVO. Others agree about the quality of the auto parts ones.
http://forum.turboford.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=055026
Something else mention make sure solinoid mount is well grounded. Mauirce

 

[ZooYoost]

Something is melting down starters in my 89. The starter doesn't disengage even with key out. I am on my 3rd starter, second relay, second ignition switch and second key switch in a few thousand miles. Other symptoms include draining the battery to the point of killing it, rare hard start like battery near dead but reset key and it starts normal, intermittent bucking like electrical or gas is getting cut off in a regular pulse. Grounds have been checked. The first one to get this gremlin out of my beast gets a $50 postal money order.

Thanks. I hate electrical stuff.

Where you in HBG dude, I live on the west shore...

 

[doclees]

Where you in HBG dude, I live on the west shore...

You will see the car, as the weather gets into the freezing zone, travel from near Hummelstown to Wertzville rd exit 5 days a week. Then again on the back of a tow truck seems to be the norm lately. I don't believe that this is related to the original problem but causes the same symptom. Key switch got stuck in full forward position. Cheap Napa parts. Took about 1.5 min and all was dead. Smelled burnt too. So Kevin has it again and will recheck which parts are salvageable. Not the key switch! Note that this meltdown was different because of mechanical failure. More test eval will be needed after this has been corrected.

 

[artsho]

I had the same problem...Turn out to be the Daytime driving lights plug located in the drivers side fender well....It is capped for use in America....The cap filled with water....