FastCAD
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Call me.
I'll come down and verify what parts you need.
The forum members are very helpfull.
Joe
786-213-0432
1992 Ford Taurus SHO 3.4L
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I'll come down and verify what parts you need.
The forum members are very helpfull.
Joe
786-213-0432
sperold
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It would be nice if you can avoid a clutch replacement.
It is starting to sound like the clutch quadrant that is under the dash. There is a ratchet-type mechanism that is reported to tighten the clutch cable if you can get your toe behind the pedal. I have never got it to do anything on any of my cars, but it is a source of trouble if you research it on this forum. There was even an effort to get new ones made, but I don't think it ever got done.
There is a little wig-wag that the clutch cable attaches-to on top of the transmission assembly, see if you can move that by reaching down from the fender. With the car idling, there is usually a sound that I think is the release bearing spinning with the pressure plate fingers. The sound will change if you move that little wig wag manually, and that will show everything is more or less ok deep in the bell housing area of the transmission.
It is starting to sound like the clutch quadrant that is under the dash. There is a ratchet-type mechanism that is reported to tighten the clutch cable if you can get your toe behind the pedal. I have never got it to do anything on any of my cars, but it is a source of trouble if you research it on this forum. There was even an effort to get new ones made, but I don't think it ever got done.
There is a little wig-wag that the clutch cable attaches-to on top of the transmission assembly, see if you can move that by reaching down from the fender. With the car idling, there is usually a sound that I think is the release bearing spinning with the pressure plate fingers. The sound will change if you move that little wig wag manually, and that will show everything is more or less ok deep in the bell housing area of the transmission.
Amanda Lockman
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TimboSHO
Intermediate
Maybe the clutch pedal adjuster mechanism? If the teeth break on that, would the pedal not grab? I've never experienced any issues with this in my 8 manual SHOs, but maybe someone on here has?
1badsho
SHO Member
the owner of the car called me yesterday and we talked about the issues at hand and I think there are two things going on.
Its not the clutch but the quadrant and or clutch cable to the tranny fork. Something is ***** their and he didnt realize when you reattach the cable your suppose to have the clutch pedal as far up as possible to release the quadrant ( think that is correct its been a while since I did my last clutch job on a SHO. That said I advised him to get another quadrant and cable assembly and see if he can find someone on the southeast coast of Florida to install it.
Secondly he advised me of a stalling situation that smells exactly like a bad water pump in the makings dripping on the CPS sensor. The car will die suddenly and than after a cool down start fine.
I hope he gets everything sorted out and will keep us posted
Its not the clutch but the quadrant and or clutch cable to the tranny fork. Something is ***** their and he didnt realize when you reattach the cable your suppose to have the clutch pedal as far up as possible to release the quadrant ( think that is correct its been a while since I did my last clutch job on a SHO. That said I advised him to get another quadrant and cable assembly and see if he can find someone on the southeast coast of Florida to install it.
Secondly he advised me of a stalling situation that smells exactly like a bad water pump in the makings dripping on the CPS sensor. The car will die suddenly and than after a cool down start fine.
I hope he gets everything sorted out and will keep us posted
luigisho
SHO Member
Keep posting. If crank sensor is bad you will have to scrape up a used one. There are people around who can help track one down.
SHOrod
Torrie Tuned
Hmmm, this got me thinking - Does anyone here have a faulty old CPS sensor that they would be willing to send to me? I have to believe it couldn't be too hard to source a replacement hall effect sensor that would work, and with my 3D printers, ABS filament, and some time with the modeling software it just may be possible to start making new replacements rather inexpensively. I've done a similar thing for some brushless lawn equipment motors and brushless electric bicycle hub motors. The ABS should be good to about 450 degrees F so I'll need to see if I can find some data on what temperatures the engine blocks get to that near the crankshaft.
-Rod
tamadrumr88
New Member
I have 2 non-working crank sensors here
1badsho
SHO Member
sounds like these CPS sensors are valuable and hard to come by. I had 5-8 hanging on the wall ( used but working ) and threw them away
FastCAD
SHO Member
Your proposal sounds doable. If the members help out this might get done.
One thing is for sure, if this can be done you will have plenty of customers and make some $$ too. I doubt that the temperature behind the crank pulley gets anywhere near 450 deg.
What the CPS needs is a "shade" mounted above it to prevent contaminates from getting on the sensor i.e. anti-freeze coolant.
I am a skilled draftsman w/CAD and I work on my own '91 SHO. So, anything I can do to help just holler.
If you have a 3D printer then making a clutch pedal pawl for the clutch pedal cable is possible too.
(they are difficult to come up with) and this will help Amanda Lockman too.
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FastCAD
SHO Member
If you have a faulty CPS sensor then you should try to hunt a working unit down before doing anything else.
Any other repairs you make will not help if the SHO doesn't start.
luigisho
SHO Member
This has to be a labor of love or tackling a challenge. The size of the user base has always been too small to count on making alot of $$. Just a numbers game.
FastCAD
SHO Member
"Labor of Love" lmao.
How much do those who are hoarding their CPS backups asking for theirs??
How about online? Have you heard what they are going for?
Even the big replacement parts houses don't care. Why should they? Everyone is picking the bone yards clean just to get what they can get which isn't much better than what they got.
Now, if this were to work and a replacement does become available figuring Gen1 & 2 @ a production level of 25k per year, that's 150k. So, (for arguments sake) figure an attrition rate of 95% that leaves 7,500 customers.
Lets say SHOrad is doing this for a labor of love lol and only charges $90.00 (modest imo) that's $675,000. That's a lot of LOVE.
I (for 1) have replaced the CPS on my '91 four times in 27yrs. and that is not counting all of the re-buys from everyone
else who has experienced a leaking weep hole or other contaminate or still insist on washing their Yamahammer with a pressure hose.
Can you feel the LOVE?
Best to All,
Joe
How much do those who are hoarding their CPS backups asking for theirs??
How about online? Have you heard what they are going for?
Even the big replacement parts houses don't care. Why should they? Everyone is picking the bone yards clean just to get what they can get which isn't much better than what they got.
Now, if this were to work and a replacement does become available figuring Gen1 & 2 @ a production level of 25k per year, that's 150k. So, (for arguments sake) figure an attrition rate of 95% that leaves 7,500 customers.
Lets say SHOrad is doing this for a labor of love lol and only charges $90.00 (modest imo) that's $675,000. That's a lot of LOVE.
I (for 1) have replaced the CPS on my '91 four times in 27yrs. and that is not counting all of the re-buys from everyone
else who has experienced a leaking weep hole or other contaminate or still insist on washing their Yamahammer with a pressure hose.
Can you feel the LOVE?
Best to All,
Joe
luigisho
SHO Member
Nope. I can feel the years. I've been around for every new modification, specialty parts vendor, and group buy. I'm just referencing experience. I'm sure your math is pretty close.
look halfway down the page, the supercoupe guys and shosource are teaming up to have ones made
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/need-a-crank-position-sensor-for-93-atx.140754/
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/need-a-crank-position-sensor-for-93-atx.140754/
luigisho
SHO Member
Already got that. always better to have an alternative and an inhouse answer if someone is willing to tackle it.
Amanda Lockman
New Member
Thanks, everyone! It's currently parked up until further notice. Not much on my end I can do because I'm unaware of any of the technical issues going on, but I'm gonna go with what 1badsho is saying. Lol
If anyone knows of any mechanics or shops in the SoFlo area, please let me know!!!
If anyone knows of any mechanics or shops in the SoFlo area, please let me know!!!
luigisho
SHO Member
I posted to Glenn's post about maybe 2 people to contact up near pt. st. lucie and see if they know someone. Hopefully someone can help.
Amanda Lockman
New Member
Thanks so much!!!!!!
Greg Corcoran
SHO Member
Just got off the phone w/ Bill at supercoupe. - his prototype is still working and the first pre-production batch of test units for SHO and SC are going out to the beta testers next week. He's going to collect ~60 days of test usage from these folks before committing to a larger batch from the supplier. If all goes well he'll start taking orders in about 60 days. Hooray!!
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