LMS T460 gains big power while resolving other concerns!

[Livernois Motorsports]

Just a quick update here...


I talked to Anthony the customer in question yesterday. There also appears to be another issue with the car where it is reading the wrong fuel pressure at the rail....

Apparently with the stock fuel pump he thought everything was running better but found out there are indeed other issues at play.

In the best interest of both parties. I suggest we close this issue down until further information is provided since the circumstances around the fuel pump issues are questionable.

Thank you for bringing this up, we appreciate you coming forward with this info, we will also hold off

 

[tonypipes]

How they entered the platform 10 years ago, is a far cry from what they've delved into.

As a smaller, niche market type of platform, it is important to highlight those vendors that are, and have proven beneficial to the platform, and conversely, disparage those that are detrimental.

Those that know, know better, and do steer clear. Newer owners however may not be aware of all of the unscrupulous practices and repeated problems that occur, bringing the platform down, resulting in poor experiences and discouraging further investment and lasting bonds/ownership.

That said, not everyone is saveable. If newbies choose to use them and fall prey to the marketing/media hype, then so be it.

However, "older" (term used loosely) owners absolutely have a responsibility to educate and inform as needed. There should be no benefit of inclusion in the community as a result.

I correlate it with the banned Sierra Sierra India vendor/followers.

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I have been tuned with Livernois for the last six years, I have not had all the problems you all talk about, each tune upgrade made more power buy my seat of the pants. No Dyno proof.

Yes V11 had the only issue, slight stumble up top otherwise I have been treated fine buy them. I didn’t feel the need to start trying different tuners. It’s not a race car. They offered to help and also suggested the HPFP.
I have recently installed the new HPFP and the car is much more powerful and no problems. They were very helpful and offered to give me a HPFP E30 Tune if I wanted. I mean at some point the stock pump is stressed. Yes maybe it can be argued. I’m not interested in changing tuners everytime there is a slight problem.
I have followed you and your awesome car for years now, I’m not taking one side or the other, but a bad motor doesn’t last five years. I have seen bad motors, they show problems within the first few months or sooner. You had a good run with that build. I was always advised buy my tuner with my other car to never change anything without him involved. He also advised me to always use the same fuel I was tuned on. VP100 in the pail. Never from a pump. My motor is still going strong making double the horsepower of stock. I don’t mess with what’s working.
I think you had a good run with that motor in my opinion, but if you start going down that slippery slope of changing things, sooner or later things happen. I hope your new build is great I’m looking forward to reading about it.

 

[Lostneye]

I have been tuned with Livernois for the last six years, I have not had all the problems you all talk about, each tune upgrade made more power buy my seat of the pants. No Dyno proof.

Yes V11 had the only issue, slight stumble up top otherwise I have been treated fine buy them. I didn’t feel the need to start trying different tuners. It’s not a race car. They offered to help and also suggested the HPFP.
I have recently installed the new HPFP and the car is much more powerful and no problems. They were very helpful and offered to give me a HPFP E30 Tune if I wanted. I mean at some point the stock pump is stressed. Yes maybe it can be argued. I’m not interested in changing tuners everytime there is a slight problem.
I have followed you and your awesome car for years now, I’m not taking one side or the other, but a bad motor doesn’t last five years. I have seen bad motors, they show problems within the first few months or sooner. You had a good run with that build. I was always advised buy my tuner with my other car to never change anything without him involved. He also advised me to always use the same fuel I was tuned on. VP100 in the pail. Never from a pump. My motor is still going strong making double the horsepower of stock. I don’t mess with what’s working.
I think you had a good run with that motor in my opinion, but if you start going down that slippery slope of changing things, sooner or later things happen. I hope your new build is great I’m looking forward to reading about it.

If you’re happy great but have you datalogged that tune to see what that stumble is? I have a log with less than 800psi at the rail. I paid more than every other tuner for LMS hardware/tune and didn’t know how bad it was until listened to the other members bringing things to light and saw the data. So I paid for a tune that was supposed to work on my daily driver only to be told sorry you now need to spend $1600 for that time to work the way it was advertised. There is a lot more than this in multiple posts many times with proof.
And as far as Mike’s car I think you are making assumptions on what happened there.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Thank you for bringing this up, we appreciate you coming forward with this info, we will also hold off

You are welcome, that being said, I sure hope you continue to work Anthony on a solution. Perhaps swapping the pump out might go a long way since it hasn’t been completely ruled out... take his old pump, rebuild it, etc since these pumps are all built by hand a way... just a thought.

 

[Jordan_R]

I have been tuned with Livernois for the last six years, I have not had all the problems you all talk about, each tune upgrade made more power buy my seat of the pants. No Dyno proof.

Yes V11 had the only issue, slight stumble up top otherwise I have been treated fine buy them. I didn’t feel the need to start trying different tuners. It’s not a race car. They offered to help and also suggested the HPFP.
I have recently installed the new HPFP and the car is much more powerful and no problems. They were very helpful and offered to give me a HPFP E30 Tune if I wanted. I mean at some point the stock pump is stressed. Yes maybe it can be argued. I’m not interested in changing tuners everytime there is a slight problem.
I have followed you and your awesome car for years now, I’m not taking one side or the other, but a bad motor doesn’t last five years. I have seen bad motors, they show problems within the first few months or sooner. You had a good run with that build. I was always advised buy my tuner with my other car to never change anything without him involved. He also advised me to always use the same fuel I was tuned on. VP100 in the pail. Never from a pump. My motor is still going strong making double the horsepower of stock. I don’t mess with what’s working.
I think you had a good run with that motor in my opinion, but if you start going down that slippery slope of changing things, sooner or later things happen. I hope your new build is great I’m looking forward to reading about it.

Not a racecar, but double stock power huh?

 

[tonypipes]

Not a racecar, but double stock power huh?

 

[tonypipes]

yes

 

[GotGrip?]

We actually dug up some info on this i figured it would help the situation dramatically. So before we even put the pump on this vehicle we Checked all dimensions and spring pressure, plus we checked and made certain the solenoid worked and the pump was free. Once we verified everything looked how it should we put it on the vehicle and tested it and this is some of the info we have on it still. The first picture is at idle

And this below was revved to 3k rpms. as you can see it definitely was working.

So I don't have a personal stake in this, but I noticed something I had to ask about. You never did reply to the accusation that you put a potentially harmful part on a customer vehicle to test it for someone else. I don't know about everyone here, but if a shop called me and ask to put a potentially broken HPFP on my car to test I would have said **** no. Could you please elaborate on this please?

 

[Jordan_R]

yes

 

[stripSHO]

So I don't have a personal stake in this, but I noticed something I had to ask about. You never did reply to the accusation that you put a potentially harmful part on a customer vehicle to test it for someone else. I don't know about everyone here, but if a shop called me and ask to put a potentially broken HPFP on my car to test I would have said **** no. Could you please elaborate on this please?

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[stripSHO]

Just a quick update here...


I talked to Anthony the customer in question yesterday. There also appears to be another issue with the car where it is reading the wrong fuel pressure at the rail....

Apparently with the stock fuel pump he thought everything was running better but found out there are indeed other issues at play.

In the best interest of both parties. I suggest we close this issue down until further information is provided since the circumstances around the fuel pump issues are questionable.

I'm sure this ends with LMS somehow taking the wrap for the customer's jacked up transducer circuit too lol. This crap is exactly why people need to take everything they read on the internet with a grain of salt and a pound of skepticism rather than immediately cranking the echo chamber up to 11.

 

[StealBlueSho]

I'm sure this ends with LMS somehow taking the wrap for the customer's jacked up transducer circuit too lol. This crap is exactly why people need to take everything they read on the internet with a grain of salt and a pound of skepticism rather than immediately cranking the echo chamber up to 11.

Could very much be so. I’m directly talking with the owner trying to help out. I got his side of the story over the phone. That being said, I don’t think he would intentionally lie, I’m betting at this point after lots of conversations there was some miscommunication for sure...

We did discover the 3BAR from LMS went bad... a new one fixed that problem.

He had already replaced the intank pump, high pressure fuel pump, fuel rail pressure sensor, and a few other things...

Still having an issue with the sensor reading incorrectly...

 

[GotGrip?]

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Yeah, I read that, I'm just curious more about how that conversation went or if they knew the extent of what was going on. That just seems super suspect, coming from a bodyshop background and dealing with used parts, it is incredibly rare to have a customer ok a used part let alone a failing one. Even if given permission, this is incredibly irresponsible and unprofessional. Regardless of past transgressions, this alone would make me never want to bring a vehicle to your shop. There are other/better ways to test a fuel pump or deal with the manufacturer, this is a huge failure in terms of customer service.

 

[Jordan_R]

Yeah, I read that, I'm just curious more about how that conversation went or if they knew the extent of what was going on. That just seems super suspect, coming from a bodyshop background and dealing with used parts, it is incredibly rare to have a customer ok a used part let alone a failing one. Even if given permission, this is incredibly irresponsible and unprofessional. Regardless of past transgressions, this alone would make me never want to bring a vehicle to your shop. There are other/better ways to test a fuel pump or deal with the manufacturer, this is a huge failure in terms of customer service.

Not to mention whoever is posting for LMS owns a SHO themselves.

I am weary of anything posted in here because now we have record holders in power that nobody knows about. Makes me all conspiracy wise that we've been infiltrated lmao

 

[802SHO]

Hey I appreciate you pressing pause on your little rant to give me a shout out! Thanks for including me daddy! Obsessing over me, are we? Is SBS really my brother? Why didn't you tell us sooner, daddy?

For those trying to digest this latest trash campaign in the hive mind's eternal personal vendetta against Livernois, the problem with trying to pick up on Easton's point he's trying to preach down to everyone is that, like with his other conspiracy theories, he has no idea what he's talking about and it's a completely false narrative. E30 @ .82 lambda actually requires 2% LESS FUEL than pump gas commanded to .74 lambda like in a Livernois tune. Oof!!! And given that simple ratios clearly escape you, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you're only actually mixing to e25 or so. On top of that ethanol is more dense and higher viscosity than gasoline, effectively giving a slight performance nudge to the hpfp itself. But it's still all moot. You could also write a safe tune for e85 or even M1 methanol with the stock hpfp. And doing so would prove or demonstrate... absolutely nothing about gasoline.

Bicker about afr preferences all you want. But they're just that, preferences. Let's see one of these lean tunes compete in an endurance race, or do a 10 mile salt pull, then maybe we could have an intelligent debate over what's actually safe based on data that spans more than a couple seconds of high load at a time . Until then all we're doing here is sitting around listening to a guy who can't even read his own fuel trims spout all his "expertise" on the platform's fuel system.

Call me crazy, but to outright publicly accuse a vendor of fraudulently fattening their tunes (by GOING LEANER THAN STOCK btw, how the **** do you rationalize that) as part of a deliberate sales scam with nothing to back it besides your worthless and incorrect amateur opinion on the stock fuel system sure seems like a clear cut case of libel to me. Violating site terms just for the sake of provoking legal trouble between the site and a sponsering vendor... in the midst of an ongoing effort to actively silence anybody reporting positive interactions with them... yeah what a great moderator you would make, I'm sure!

I get it: Mike flooded his crankcase with gas in a simple bonehead mistake and decided to drive it 300 bearing-burning miles that way, to Livernois' doorstep and now the entire world is expected to hate LMS until the end of time over it. I don't know about anyone else here, but I don't even have time to carry my own grudges let alone sit and watch fools throw tantrums each and every single time someone as much as mentions their initials. Get. The ****. Over. It. Let your dollars do your talking and just shut up already.

Why the **** would anyone stick up for LMS? Seriously? Why? Customer support is horrific and doesn't matter how well you think you know them..as stated above. So why do future business with them? Anyone? It's poison But whatever....go drink it. And upgraded HPFP for 93? You believe that you have other problems but if it so happens you aren't aware....you just got taken. I bet they have a DJ Khaled button....get off the phone with you and hit the button "Another one" as they laugh.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Not to mention whoever is posting for LMS owns a SHO themselves.

I am weary of anything posted in here because now we have record holders in power that nobody knows about. Makes me all conspiracy wise that we've been infiltrated lmao

As for my own vehicle I personally was not with the company at the time or i would have gladly offered up my car for the testing myself.

Yeah, I read that, I'm just curious more about how that conversation went or if they knew the extent of what was going on. That just seems super suspect, coming from a bodyshop background and dealing with used parts, it is incredibly rare to have a customer ok a used part let alone a failing one. Even if given permission, this is incredibly irresponsible and unprofessional. Regardless of past transgressions, this alone would make me never want to bring a vehicle to your shop. There are other/better ways to test a fuel pump or deal with the manufacturer, this is a huge failure in terms of customer service.

The physical inspection went perfect, do you think if we saw something that stuck out we would put it on a car anyways? If so then it seems no matter what we can say there will always be someone poking at it anyways, looking for something that just is not there..

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

You are welcome, that being said, I sure hope you continue to work Anthony on a solution. Perhaps swapping the pump out might go a long way since it hasn’t been completely ruled out... take his old pump, rebuild it, etc since these pumps are all built by hand a way... just a thought.

Thats no problem we can definitely work with him on a solution on this, we were never against helping. If you want you can PM me and i can give you my direct line to pass along to him if he needs any help

 

[GotGrip?]

As for my own vehicle I personally was not with the company at the time or i would have gladly offered up my car for the testing myself.

The physical inspection went perfect, do you think if we saw something that stuck out we would put it on a car anyways? If so then it seems no matter what we can say there will always be someone poking at it anyways, looking for something that just is not there..

Just want to start by saying, I'm not poking at something thats not there. I can appreciate that you guys are trying. But here is the deal, if someone sends you something like a fuel pump, a physical (which means visual I'm assuming because you likely didn't disassemble it) inspection doesn't really qualify in my mind as a real inspection to a potential catastrophic failure. The car didn't blow up so that's good, but what if it did? It just shows carelessness. I had debated buying downpipes from you guys because you are the least expensive for catted DPs, but seeing something like this really makes me question if I want to do business with your company. And you reaction to my comment was closer to a child than a professional. You would get much farther on this forum and as a business if you guys stepped up and simply took responsibility for past issues and moved forward. And I do mean real responsibilty, not just updating a tune. You're so wrapped up in being on the attack when people say things about you instead of being professional, and that it was will cost you what little influence you have left. Like I said in a previous post, I have no personal stake in this, and I would like to see you guys succeed as a small business. However, with everything I've seen here and previous post it shows you guys just aren't really ready to make a comeback.

 

[Bronco2fan]

I'm still waiting for LMS to verify that this is a free update to V11 or not. Or do I have to pay for a HPFP and then get the tune? Will the tune satisfy the the car's need for fuel pressure as is or will it still stumble on low RPM's ? Will it shift without jerking my head back? All legitimate concerns on my part and answers in plain english would be nice as I'm not a tuner or a techy.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I'm still waiting for LMS to verify that this is a free update to V11 or not. Or do I have to pay for a HPFP and then get the tune? Will the tune satisfy the the car's need for fuel pressure as is or will it still stumble on low RPM's ? Will it shift without jerking my head back? All legitimate concerns on my part and answers in plain english would be nice as I'm not a tuner or a techy.

This is a free update, normally we try not to update old programmers but for this we are making an exception so rather you have our old style or our new mycal touch we can get you the v17 update at no charge!