LMS T460 gains big power while resolving other concerns!

[Angrymongoose]

I think its safe to say given this thread that LMS still hasn't changed for the better.

So can we start talking about a ban now?
Do we need to start a poll, is that allowed, does being a "sponsoring vendor" mean they can't be banned?

 

[SM105K]

I think its safe to say given this thread that LMS still hasn't changed for the better.

So can we start talking about a ban now?
Do we need to start a poll, is that allowed, does being a "sponsoring vendor" mean they can't be banned?

I am working on it.

 

[Angrymongoose]

I know they use to be a much better company. I should have made that more clear.

**** their work on your car, and your car in general, is one of the reasons I started looking into the SHOs long before I purchased mine.

Its sad to see what they have become, but that happens to plenty of companies in plenty of fields. People just need to be aware of whats happened, and know to stay away.

 

[Jedster1]

My '15 PP is still nearly bone stock and running well after having one cam sensor/actuator, the throttle unit, and a PTU seal replaced, all under warranty. Just a tick over 88K miles.

Oh, and I've done rotor and pad replacements myself. Any work outside of warranty work I'm quite capable of doing myself. I have three fast Harleys, heavy equipment, two V8 MGs and a slew of other toys to keep running.

I don't post often but I read the forum so that when I do decide to put a tune on it I'm informed. So having said all that, there's no effin' WAY I'd put any LMS product on my car, be it tune, meth injection item or anything else they sell.

So, to respond to the OP of this thread, I don't like your business ethic, wouldn't trust you to work on my lawnmower, and think you're basically a predator shouting these new "headlines".

I'd suggest you do a moral inventory but you won't, so I've just pretty much wasted a bunch of bandwidth and my time, not to mention the time of others who'll read this. But I had to say it just the same.

End of rant.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

That line is a complete crock of crap. Just so we are crystal clear. You chose to use a customer's car (and that customer approved it) to test a proven defunct HPFP? Did you explain to them that the pump was bad? Bet you didn't because you RETURNED A DEFUNCT PUMP back to the owner, and passed it off as good! WTH? Why would you do that, when you have your SHO there? Makes zero sense.

Also in past posts you have done things (proven) without customer consent as well. Also I love how you just completely disregarded the whole delayed return of the defunct pump past the warranty date question. Geez.....those true colors keep shining true.

We actually dug up some info on this i figured it would help the situation dramatically. So before we even put the pump on this vehicle we Checked all dimensions and spring pressure, plus we checked and made certain the solenoid worked and the pump was free. Once we verified everything looked how it should we put it on the vehicle and tested it and this is some of the info we have on it still. The first picture is at idle

And this below was revved to 3k rpms. as you can see it definitely was working.

 

[shoblock]

This is wrong. You still maintain target lambda, the fuel pressure bottoms out and the ecu cuts throttle before you actually have a lean condition....

And technically... they do run a leaner mixture than stock...

And if you want to fight me on this I will be more than happy to post datalogs showing all this.

But at the end of the day, it’s poor tuning that causes the problem... the way the v11 tune is configured causes low rail pressure issues at the load they are commanding with the target lambda... it’s just a dorked tune....

Their response to it was the problem.

I love data and people who take the time to absorb and learn from it. I found happiness with the Gearhead auto-octane tune, and thought I was going to blow my car up with the V11. Since my son will be the next owner in 2 years, I'm done with furthering my enlightenment on this subject. But when I give him the car, he may read every word contained here, and who knows, he may take off with it and go as far as some of the good folks here. Thanks to you, StealBlueSho, and all others who helped me to thoroughly this great car.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Pictures would not post for some reason

 

[Jordan_R]

Pictures would not post for some reason

Did you guys do any actual high pressure testing because even the stock hpfp goes to 2500 psi and with idling being ~230 then your 3000rpm rev being 400 that's not really testing the pump very much to me.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Did you guys do any actual high pressure testing because even the stock hpfp goes to 2500 psi and with idling being ~230 then your 3000rpm rev being 400 that's not really testing the pump very much to me.

Yes we did and this will be posted as well, but we at least wanted to get these out here. This was step 1 on the car

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Yes we did and this will be posted as well, but we at least wanted to get these out here. This was step 1 on the car

I will also be posting these updates on the actual thread on the EBPF Just in case some of the audience there are not on this board as well

 

[shoblock]

I'll be honest, the SHO was almost everything I wanted in a sedan. I could live with everything except they took away all hope of a solid aftermarket by making it too different from the mustang or the truck. We all know why... They didn't want a 3.5 Ecoboost mustang to outshine the GT 5.0... the hilarious thing is the truck is the opposite, they detune the f150 5.0 to let the 3.5 take the victory lap.

It's marketing and bean counting that we haven't considered. Ford is not emotionally attached to anything they build. They look at sales, and the input from thousands of customers. They also consider plant capacity and demand for what that plant produces. Mustangs and F150's rule the roost. In the beginning of the 3.5 Ecoboost's history, marketing believed it would be a 20% take for the F150 customers, because "truck buyers only want V-8's." They were REALLY wrong! (They only ordered enough tooling at that time to cover about 80,000 truck block castings per year.) There was a major panic at Ford for increasing all components associated with the 3.5l Ecoboost for the truck. They originally ordered a lot more tooling for the passenger car, which included a non-ecoboost engine, the top seller for 2006 to 2009.
I could go on, but I'm afraid I just highjacked this thread. (shoot)
1. There was not enough capacity for adding the 3.5l ecoboost to the Mustang
2. There was plenty of capacity to put the 5.0l in the Mustang, because the fickled F150 buyers SUDDENLY LOVED V-6's, and the 5.0l factory was without demand. (Look up Romeo engine plant. It's about to be shut down)
3. The 3.5l Ecoboost was a hit that marketing and finance only wish they could have seen coming.

 

[SM105K]

I will also be posting these updates on the actual thread on the EBPF Just in case some of the audience there are not on this board as well

So you are saying you tested the defunct pump and it worked? Then shipped it back and the owner is flat out lying? Why the shipping back delay?

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

So you are saying you tested the defunct pump and it worked? Then shipped it back and the owner is flat out lying? Why the shipping back delay?

Were not saying hes lying, were saying that if we test a product here, and it works, and the customer gets it back and it doesnt, then looking at the car or other factors beyond the product itself is the logical step to do. We reached out to the mechanic, and never heard back. For all we knew it was fine until these posts. The whole purpose for calling the mechanic was to go over other items to look at and aid in the repair process. We offered to test it again even though we were very thorough. Also i want to add this in as well, Noone here ever said we would not warranty the pump, even though our policy states 1 year for warranty thats just a generalized statement, there have been countless times where we have gone above and beyond the 1 year warranty and replaced things or helped out customers but for someone to say we would not warranty the pump is just completely not factual information.

 

[SM105K]

Were not saying hes lying, were saying that if we test a product here, and it works, and the customer gets it back and it doesnt, then looking at the car or other factors beyond the product itself is the logical step to do. We reached out to the mechanic, and never heard back. For all we knew it was fine until these posts. The whole purpose for calling the mechanic was to go over other items to look at and aid in the repair process. We offered to test it again even though we were very thorough. Also i want to add this in as well, Noone here ever said we would not warranty the pump, even though our policy states 1 year for warranty thats just a generalized statement, there have been countless times where we have gone above and beyond the 1 year warranty and replaced things or helped out customers but for someone to say we would not warranty the pump is just completely not factual information.

Cut the crap LMS. Is the gentlemen in question flat out lying? YES or NO?

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Cut the crap LMS. Is the gentlemen in question flat out lying? YES or NO?

I would not say hes "lying" I would say maybe the information he was given was not correct as we have data that shows otherwise shown here:

The file named DS_AWD_DYN_DS_PUMP_1.JPG Is from our standard AWD dyno jet you famously see in alot of our dyno videos we show like the one this thread was based on, on this run we have the test vehicle running its own Upgraded HPFP from us

This file named DS_MD_DYN_AM_PUMP_1.JPG Is from our mustang dyno so we can better simulate real world conditions so look for yourself, this was the test vehicle running the customers pump that was supposedly not functioning properly

 

[GHNorth]

Back on subject... I installed the V17 tune on my '13 non-PP SHO on Tuesday. I drove it for about 15 minutes with no shift problems apparent, although they usually weren't in that short time frame anyway. I should have a determination of problem resolution in about a year...

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Back on subject... I installed the V17 tune on my '13 non-PP SHO on Tuesday. I drove it for about 15 minutes with no shift problems apparent, although they usually weren't in that short time frame anyway. I should have a determination of problem resolution in about a year...

Keep us posted, we have put alot of time into this new update and would like to see everyone with concerns on our old tune have their issues resolved

 

[SM105K]

I would not say hes "lying" I would say maybe the information he was given was not correct as we have data that shows otherwise shown here:

The file named DS_AWD_DYN_DS_PUMP_1.JPG Is from our standard AWD dyno jet you famously see in alot of our dyno videos we show like the one this thread was based on, on this run we have the test vehicle running its own Upgraded HPFP from us

This file named DS_MD_DYN_AM_PUMP_1.JPG Is from our mustang dyno so we can better simulate real world conditions so look for yourself, this was the test vehicle running the customers pump that was supposedly not functioning properly

I can pull any datalog off my comp and pass it off as "tested" good log. Also why are these logs generically titled? I would assume while logging a defunct/warranty fuel pump I would title that accordingly for my records. Also can you produce technical data including the dates of these logs? I wonder if they jive with the dates the pump was in your physical possession.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Just a quick update here...


I talked to Anthony the customer in question yesterday. There also appears to be another issue with the car where it is reading the wrong fuel pressure at the rail....

Apparently with the stock fuel pump he thought everything was running better but found out there are indeed other issues at play.

In the best interest of both parties. I suggest we close this issue down until further information is provided since the circumstances around the fuel pump issues are questionable.

 

[SM105K]

Just a quick update here...


I talked to Anthony the customer in question yesterday. There also appears to be another issue with the car where it is reading the wrong fuel pressure at the rail....

Apparently with the stock fuel pump he thought everything was running better but found out there are indeed other issues at play.

In the best interest of both parties. I suggest we close this issue down until further information is provided since the circumstances around the fuel pump issues are questionable.

Until more information comes to light, I will refrain from commenting on this particular situation.