LMS T460 gains big power while resolving other concerns!

[Jordan_R]

I don't know about you guys, but sweeping stuff under the rug then giving a shiny present to make up for it without saying anything about previous issues is not the kind of relationship I'd like to be in.

 

[BamSHO]

Back to the topic and my 2 cents. I looked at the numbers on the V17 numbers and looked at the numbers from my V10 91,93 tunes from about 2 years ago. The HP/TQ numbers from those tunes are right on with this new V17. Actually the dyno operator said the 91 tune looked like a stronger tune than the 93. This was his honest opinion, and I didn't disclose who I was tuned by at that time, also the dyno operator tunes cars, so I valued his opinion.

So my question is, shouldn't the V17 tunes be more refined and actually stronger than the V10 tunes.

 

[802SHO]

You are right, I did sell all my LMS gear after they tried to bend me over for no reason. I have made no bones about their business practices being suspect and immoral.

It goes without saying who I believe gives me the best overall product and support after trying ALMOST all of them.

But do I believe condemning a company forever in a market where they are one of the only vendors capable of developing new product? No.

What new product have they EVER made?

 

[tonypipes]

You don't know the whole story. You weren't around when all of this happened. We don't own Mustangs. There is not a million of us. We are a small knit community across all of the technically 5 Generations of this platform. As you can see this community is very niche. Yes their is a MOB mentality.

LMS was the premier tuner. They were the go to, until others started tuning. They had the marketing and they had the resources. Then others showed yup. Gearhead, AJPTurbo, Unleashed, ect.... Very rapidly things changed. Owners of the 13+ SHO started having issues when they got the new updated tunes. More and more people disclosed the same issues with LMS.

There is a reason why I made the list. There is lot of data that LMS just refuses to acknowledge. Their customer service was trash (they even admitted it), and then they ghosted the community after the whole BPD1151 issue. They refused to fix their problems, then blamed customers.

LMS have not re-proven themselves. Even their new V17 with $3254 in upgrades is UNDERPOWERED. Until the data from the real world comes in we won't know if the tune is "good" until it is logged and reviewed.

There are reasons why AJPTurbo and Gearhead are the tuners that are recommended here and on other forums. They are proven, safe, and make good power.

Hate corrodes the vessel that carries it. Relax, It’s always the same people bashing, There are some of us that have LMS tuned cars that haven’t had these major problems, yeah ok V11 had some issues, I had a slight hesitation up top, other then that everything has been fine. They recommend the pump and my car runs great and stronger then ever.
Me personally I don’t give a crap if other tuners can
Fix the fuel problem by tweaking it.
I’ll spend the money to have enough fuel. You guys all want to run E30 anyway. Not all your viewers are ********* with ther SHO. It’s a fun car. LOL
I’ve been around performance cars for some years now I own a 04 Whippled Cobra Terminator, don’t go cheap on fuel, I went return style on mine, best thing I ever did. recommended by my local Tuner, yea there were guys saying the same crap about not needing it, many of those cars had issues eventually, I know it’s different platform. Just saying.
I’m not defending LMS for any problems that some people had, but give them a chance to redeem themselves, I mean really. Constant bashing. I’m sure the other Tuners are awesome, Im open to all tuners and company’s opinions and results, That’s why I visit this site.
Me personally I’m more comfortable running on the rich side with this motor. Have a good evening

 

[Jordan_R]

Holy crap, this is actually $3,000+? I thought you guys were being facetious on that.

 

[SM105K]

You are right, I did sell all my LMS gear after they tried to bend me over for no reason. I have made no bones about their business practices being suspect and immoral.

It goes without saying who I believe gives me the best overall product and support after trying ALMOST all of them.

But do I believe condemning a company forever in a market where they are one of the only vendors capable of developing new product? No.

What exact new products have they brought to platform in the past 5 years? Everything that comes in a LMS box is rebranded from other other companies.

 

[SM105K]

Holy crap, this is actually $3,000+? I thought you guys were being facetious on that.

Yep....$3254 installed...not facetious....

 

[Jordan_R]

Yep....$3254 installed...not facetious....

 

[SM105K]

Hate corrodes the vessel that carries it. Relax, It’s always the same people bashing, There are some of us that have LMS tuned cars that haven’t had these major problems, yeah ok V11 had some issues, I had a slight hesitation up top, other then that everything has been fine. They recommend the pump and my car runs great and stronger then ever.
Me personally I don’t give a crap if other tuners can
Fix the fuel problem by tweaking it.
I’ll spend the money to have enough fuel. You guys all want to run E30 anyway. Not all your viewers are ********* with ther SHO. It’s a fun car. LOL
I’ve been around performance cars for some years now I own a 04 Whippled Cobra Terminator, don’t go cheap on fuel, I went returnless on mine, best thing I ever did. recommended by my local Tuner, yea there were guys saying the same crap about not needing it, many of those cars had issues eventually, I know it’s different platform. Just saying.
I’m not defending LMS for any problems that some people had, but give them a chance to redeem themselves, I mean really. Constant bashing. I’m sure the other Tuners are awesome, Im open to all tuners and company’s opinions and results, That’s why I visit this site.
Me personally I’m more comfortable running on the rich side with this motor. Have a good evening

And I came from the Turbo LS world, **** my other toy is a E85 2J car. I know all about fuel systems. If you don't know the whole story and the complete BS LMS was posting about how special these motors are tuning, then you don't know what you are talking about. Pretty sure Matt from Gearhead knows more about tuning these motors then LMS. He was the one asking the questions and providing data on those threads I mentioned while LMS just circular navigated the technical aspects. They run their tunes too fat, people caught on. Also numerous people on 93 octane have made more power safety then what LMS deems critical. So is it really the stock fuel system? Or is it just crappy tune theory?

 

[SM105K]

Back to the topic and my 2 cents. I looked at the numbers on the V17 numbers and looked at the numbers from my V10 91,93 tunes from about 2 years ago. The HP/TQ numbers from those tunes are right on with this new V17. Actually the dyno operator said the 91 tune looked like a stronger tune than the 93. This was his honest opinion, and I didn't disclose who I was tuned by at that time, also the dyno operator tunes cars, so I valued his opinion.

So my question is, shouldn't the V17 tunes be more refined and actually stronger than the V10 tunes.

No because LMS won't back away from their too fat tunes. They want to sell their fuel pumps to uninformed buyers.

 

[StealBlueSho]

Yep....$3254 installed...not facetious....

Why don’t you break the price down..

Corsa Exhaust: $1500 w/ Black Tips
3Bar Map: $99
Tuning Device with Unlimited Tunes: $600
Tstat: $60
AIRAID: $289
Custom Dyno Tuning: $400 (I have a quote)

Totaling: $2948
Labor: $306 or 3 hrs of install time approx.

So $300 to have someone install all that stuff isn’t a bad deal if you are local to them.

That is not a hateful quote assuming they don’t hit you with random other charges which they might.

And SMK105, LMS was the first to market with a HPFP iirc. LMS was one of the first company’s to tune these cars. Sure they rebrand stuff but they also have the ability/capital to dev stuff too.

I am being objective here and trying to provide an unbiased picture.

 

[802SHO]

In your quote you missed the extra $756 dollars that was a complete and utter waste. You can get a tuner and custom tuning for $550. Its more work to put together a 25 piece puzzle (and that would be some big pieces) than it is to install all that stuff yourself. But if you're lazy/or too good to get your hands....Id say dirty but you can wear gloves....to do it yourself and if wasting money is your thing LMS is where you want to be. Objectively they don't develop anything new......they tell you things you don't need while telling you need things you don't. If you want to pretend to stand up for LMS bc they made some of their own tuning they arent even the masters of...and a HPFP that underperforms XDI.....then you deserve LMS in all their overcharging glory and misinformation. Objectively and intelligently its a dead end. Clear as day. End of story. Suckers keep on sucking...

 

[StealBlueSho]

You guys are funny... I’m not “sticking up” for LMS, just being impartial. Which years ago, the forums were impartial for the most part.

I clearly don’t advertise for that company as was noted previously.

Y’all need to chill out.

 

[802SHO]

You guys are funny... I’m not “sticking up” for LMS, just being impartial. Which years ago, the forums were impartial for the most part.

I clearly don’t advertise for that company as was noted previously.

Y’all need to chill out.

I do admit what I said about ppl opting to pay to have parts installed makes them lazy or too good to get their hands dirty was out of line. Some ppl just have no clue, others just simply don't have the time. I get it.

And this is just a discussion with two very clear opposing sides...bc we all don't share the same views doesn't mean as soon as the discussion is over we take our differences with us. No grudges made.

I thought we should be helping ppl make informed decisions. When I have my own experience I feel like that gives me some relevance to speak on the subject. And I think there really is the difference between commenting on LMS and commenting on the "idea" of a company like LMS. The "idea" of such a company gives wonderful opportunists to further the platform. For me I'm interested in what LMS is now currently and what they've done in the past.

SBS you have your own experiences, you know Mike and Ryan's horrible experiences as well. And I know that you do. So I was like what the...

Why make it sound like...."maybe they're not as horrible as I know they are" just for the forum?

LMS still gets referrals from "less than informed" potential customers. But if we know things they might want to know and might help them go in a better direction....why not do it?

This isn't about hate so much as its about dislike and knowing not to make the same mistakes and/or help a fellow member. To each his own. It's all good.

 

[SM105K]

SBS.....you even said it yourself.....

"LMS tried to bend me over for no reason". That prompted you literally firesale all your LMS parts. Yet here you are, post after post defending them.

Would you let them tune your current set up?

 

[sperold]

You have to admit, it took a lot of courage for the LMS guy to come on the forum announcing a new tune. He knew it was hostile territory, and did it anyway.

In the beginning, there was LMS and Unleashed and a few other more local tuners. At that point in history, LMS offered the plug and play tune that suited most early adapters, and those tunes, for those years, had success.

Ford altered the software in 2013, and LMS failed to conquer the issues this presented in the 2013 and up years. One mistake was to try and promote a LMS software problem as a hardware problem.

A more forgivable option for LMS would have been to abandon the V11 tune, buy back all existing V11 tunes, and research the issues in house, rather than use owners as an unsuspecting test lab. But at that point, they were hoping a breakthrough was minutes away, but they lost that bet.

It may well be that they have conquered the newer software configuration in the post 2013 Ford SHO, and they are proposing that you take a look.

Anyone who is saddled with the LMS proprietary tuner will welcome this news.

The people who like datalogging will not, as they have developed a relationship with their tuner / datalogger.

 

[802SHO]

SBS.....Would you let them tune your current set up?

$400 toon plus $200 for new spark plugs swap, throwing his Sp542 plugs out for their .030 gapped Sp534 inferior plugs...oof!

 

[High on Ethanol]

The cost of tuning is higher when you switch to the 10speeeeeeedd!!
Also shame on Ford for giving the SHO inferior everything compared to the truck. Full e85 on bone stock fueling is where it's at!

Back on topic, LMS makes their own tuner, right?

 

[SM105K]

The cost of tuning is higher when you switch to the 10speeeeeeedd!!
Also shame on Ford for giving the SHO inferior everything compared to the truck. Full e85 on bone stock fueling is where it's at!

Back on topic, LMS makes their own tuner, right?

I agree 100%. My ST has the ability to run E85 on bone fueling as well. Ford dropped the ball on the SHO numerous times.

 

[StealBlueSho]

SBS.....you even said it yourself.....

"LMS tried to bend me over for no reason". That prompted you literally firesale all your LMS parts. Yet here you are, post after post defending them.

Would you let them tune your current set up?

Am I defending them? Maybe your unconscious bias is stepping in ******* this one.

I’m simply calling out facts. The price is very reasonable for the parts you get, installation, and dyno tuning.

They have clearly gone though 6 additional revisions since V11 so one would think they have progressed in a positive direction.

And two opinions which is where you are hammering me on..

That I refuse to condemn a vendor for life.

That I think the power produced here isn’t not bad considering your paying $1,800 for fluff parts in the corsa and AIRAID.

I’m not going to justify my position any more to you or anyone else for that matter. I respect each of you on the forum and have watched a lot of development in the past couple years on this platform. Mainly from each of you pushing the platform harder and harder. Good luck in each of your endeavors and I wish you all continued good health.