LMS T460 gains big power while resolving other concerns!
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skyshadow07
On a mission to get below 4000lbs
Mob mentality is real around here. Looks like if I keep asking simple yet controversial questions that I'm going become the next yaycandy. Comical that because I'm new (6mo) to the platform and forum that I'm somehow a noob to cars. I'm not trying to flex titles here so I'm not sure why it is always brought up. But i hope that the amount and quality of threads I have posted in 6mo of being here would show I'm not a 20yr ignorant kid.
802SHO, I have no dog in this fight. I could care less. My main confusion is that ANY and EVERY post about LMS or from LMS is replied with "**** off LMS" "SCAMMERS" "Buyer beware, rip off" etc. I don't feel like the label fits. If they are scammers, if they are so terrible, then why are they not banned from the forum?
I love the list of issues SM105K just made. All those issues are also known as racecar problems. Aside from **customer service problems**, these are things that happen when trying to break into a new platform and/or break past a plateau on a platform. My old Evo was tuned by tuning tech (nationally known) out of Cali. On E85 it would not start under 50 degrees outside. Off E85, It ran so fat I would have to wash soot off the back weekly. By the way, a new fuel pump was the FIRST thing they told you to get. My buddy Josh Weisman's Evo wouldn't keep an engine longer that a month without failure. That is tuning!
**(Speaking of customer service if it wasn't for a locals helping me out, I would have had no idea what Torrie needed for logs, if he even wanted logs, what his tunes changed on my car, what complications my car was having during tuning.. etc. The man literally took my funds, shipped the programmer and sent an email with a file and the words "file attached". Fiveleeter was the one who told me that without logging the original file is essentially stock. He was the one who suggested the 2.5 bar MAP. Delgato was who suggested monitoring KR. I had to start asking Unleashed "should I do this, do you need this..so on" to get anywhere. But I have not once bashed Unleashed for it. And I will say, headache and assumption aside, the tune is pretty decent now.)**
802SHO, I have no dog in this fight. I could care less. My main confusion is that ANY and EVERY post about LMS or from LMS is replied with "**** off LMS" "SCAMMERS" "Buyer beware, rip off" etc. I don't feel like the label fits. If they are scammers, if they are so terrible, then why are they not banned from the forum?
I love the list of issues SM105K just made. All those issues are also known as racecar problems. Aside from **customer service problems**, these are things that happen when trying to break into a new platform and/or break past a plateau on a platform. My old Evo was tuned by tuning tech (nationally known) out of Cali. On E85 it would not start under 50 degrees outside. Off E85, It ran so fat I would have to wash soot off the back weekly. By the way, a new fuel pump was the FIRST thing they told you to get. My buddy Josh Weisman's Evo wouldn't keep an engine longer that a month without failure. That is tuning!
**(Speaking of customer service if it wasn't for a locals helping me out, I would have had no idea what Torrie needed for logs, if he even wanted logs, what his tunes changed on my car, what complications my car was having during tuning.. etc. The man literally took my funds, shipped the programmer and sent an email with a file and the words "file attached". Fiveleeter was the one who told me that without logging the original file is essentially stock. He was the one who suggested the 2.5 bar MAP. Delgato was who suggested monitoring KR. I had to start asking Unleashed "should I do this, do you need this..so on" to get anywhere. But I have not once bashed Unleashed for it. And I will say, headache and assumption aside, the tune is pretty decent now.)**
SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
You don't know the whole story. You weren't around when all of this happened. We don't own Mustangs. There is not a million of us. We are a small knit community across all of the technically 5 Generations of this platform. As you can see this community is very niche. Yes their is a MOB mentality.
LMS was the premier tuner. They were the go to, until others started tuning. They had the marketing and they had the resources. Then others showed yup. Gearhead, AJPTurbo, Unleashed, ect.... Very rapidly things changed. Owners of the 13+ SHO started having issues when they got the new updated tunes. More and more people disclosed the same issues with LMS.
There is a reason why I made the list. There is lot of data that LMS just refuses to acknowledge. Their customer service was trash (they even admitted it), and then they ghosted the community after the whole BPD1151 issue. They refused to fix their problems, then blamed customers.
LMS have not re-proven themselves. Even their new V17 with $3254 in upgrades is UNDERPOWERED. Until the data from the real world comes in we won't know if the tune is "good" until it is logged and reviewed.
There are reasons why AJPTurbo and Gearhead are the tuners that are recommended here and on other forums. They are proven, safe, and make good power.
I appreicate you responding to our post but the narrative from you is constant bashing livernois so i do not think we could ever make you happy, as far as learning from other tuners we do not do what anyone else does we learn with development on vehicles at our shop. The main things that have been done here is map adjsutments, some fuel adjustments across the curve, and some of the shifting.
From what we have been told other tuners run the fuel at .80-.82 lambda, which in our mind is too lean we do not do that. That will fix the fuel pressure fall off but that also runs the car too lean.
I appreciate you responding to our post but the narrative from you is constant bashing Livernois. I don't understand. But ok. As far as learning from other tuners we do not do what anyone else does we learn with development. The main things that have been done here are map adjustments, some fuel adjustments across the curve, and some of the shifting.
From what we have been told other tuners run the fuel at .80-.82 lambda, which in our mind is too lean. That will fix the fuel pressure fall off but that also runs the car too lean.
SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
Are you new to LMS? Are you new to the all the problems that happen with LMS and nuermous SHO owners who ran V11 and the problems that ensued when that tune launched? Do you know how LMS literally disappeared from the SHO community for the better part of a year? If you do then you understand why you receive so much backlash. If you don't walk in Dan's office and ask.
StealBlueSho
SHO Member
E30 != 93 pump
SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
E30 USES MORE FUEL THEN 93! STILL SAFE.
My whole argument with LMS is they say you cant do it safely. My car does, in extreme heat, with a Stock HPFP....safely.
StealBlueSho
SHO Member
Different fuel... handles more stress...
I’m just saying you can’t compare your custom E30 tune datalogged and tuned specifically for your car/fuel to a dyno tune on 93 octane that has to account for variance in fuel from Michigan to where ever that SHO owner lives...
luigisho
SHO Member
You're good. Old flame war vendor topic that doesn't seem to settle. You are a valued member here. Don't let the keyboard elbows bother you. You have plenty of innovation and intelligence to offer. You are appreciated. Even if we're *****.
High on Ethanol
Just Ain't Care
I don't think LMS actually abandoned the community...maybe this forum and the EPP forum. Also I think these forums share 90% of the same people.
I'm all for them continuing to work to improve. The SHO platform is already short almost any aftermarket support. I wouldn't chase any willing vendors away.
I'm all for them continuing to work to improve. The SHO platform is already short almost any aftermarket support. I wouldn't chase any willing vendors away.
SM105K
Streetlight Grand Prix Champ/ IG @fafomotorsports
Yes I can. LMS says the stock HPFP can't handle hopped up tunes. Most SHO's stock dyno 300 hp and 300 tq to the tire. So by their reasoning the power put out by my car which is almost 100 awhp and almost 200 awtq more then stock to the tire, using a fuel that stresses the stock fuel pump more isn't feasible. With only having 91 octane here and E54 out of the pump, my fuel is 95 octane. I use more fuel by volume (which they say isn't safe) of it being E30 then LMS does with their 93 octane.
It literally punches holes in their narrative saying the stock HPFP isn't capable of supporting the power LMS "deems" safe, which so happens they have a fix for...for another $1600 dollars.
StealBlueSho
SHO Member
“Deems” safe is the operative word here. Brad may say anything above 1500psi at the rail at .85 lambda is deemed safe...
LMS after apparently 6 different revisions have found a combination that they deem safe. Which also shows that they realized the V11 tune wasn’t a good one.
Just because one tuner says one thing and another says something different doesn’t mean one is wrong and the other is right.
You know I’m not an LMS fan boi.... and their response to the V11 debacle and blowing of Mikes motor left A LOT to be desired to say the least.
In other circles such as the coyote and LS world this shit happens daily.... someone pops a motor... someone’s tune sucks... but there are soooo many shops/tuners it goes mostly unnoticed...
In the SHO world everything is under a microscope since there is such a small market, small things become big things... like freaking trans mounts... and the holy war surrounding them... this community needs to step back... shit happens..
TBH we have a DEAD platform AGAIN... if there are companies who are still willing to develop against it, then fine. Regardless of where you stand on the subject... at this point anyone willing to put dev dollars towards us is a plus...
SBS I know you aren't a fan of LMS and even sold all your LMS parts as fast as you could. We all do and say whatever we want...but gee wizzz...sometimes gotta wonder what hat some of you wear. Don't gotta wonder what hat I wear on any given day or time...my hat says **** LMS hahahahaha
Just as a follow up, I already had the latest revision which was done earlier in the year just wasnt announced, to my understanding from what was explained to me. Is it the fastest tune? Absolutely not but the majority of cars get the gap, especially light to light. I do feel safe running it. I don't have fuel pressure issues. (I monitor it with Torque ever since i had original v11 issues.) Shifting feels just a tad more harsh than my stock tune does but not like previous v11 shift harshness. SHO is my daily and it gets the job done. Ive thought and talked about going to other tuners but am more than likely just sticking with LMS. Trying to get out of the platform altogether this year. Looking at 18+ 5.0 10 speed.
I try to give every company or business I deal with a chance to correct their mistakes. With me they did. I understand for many others they did not do so, even mistreating some. I wouldnt call myself a LMS fan boi either but they have dealt with me well. Just my experience.
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I try to give every company or business I deal with a chance to correct their mistakes. With me they did. I understand for many others they did not do so, even mistreating some. I wouldnt call myself a LMS fan boi either but they have dealt with me well. Just my experience.
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High on Ethanol
Just Ain't Care
Can't beat the 10speed experience!!!!
Let er rip!!
skyshadow07
On a mission to get below 4000lbs
Real talk about the 10 speeds, almost irresponsibly fast.
Headers, intake and e85 is near 500 at the wheel. Its nuts. No fuel system upgrades.
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High on Ethanol
Just Ain't Care
Just e85 tune feels amazing! The 10speed showed how far SCT is behind the curve. HPTuners is the future.
Now back on topic. I never used LMS because to me they are Apple of the tuning industry. Proprietary tuning hardware was a huge con for me. That's my reason for choosing a different tuner.
StealBlueSho
SHO Member
You are right, I did sell all my LMS gear after they tried to bend me over for no reason. I have made no bones about their business practices being suspect and immoral.
It goes without saying who I believe gives me the best overall product and support after trying ALMOST all of them.
But do I believe condemning a company forever in a market where they are one of the only vendors capable of developing new product? No.
High on Ethanol
Just Ain't Care
Nailed it
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