The SHOforum 12 second Challenge.

[RonPorter]

This is called the cable mod on GTPs. they drill a couple of holes in the body, and the strut body. Jack up the car and run a 1/4" cable thru the holes and clamp it down. Weight can't transfer up. I think coilovers with a street-able spring, but rasied ALL the way up would give you a similiar effect. And the stiffer the spring, the better.

Well, not really. What you want to eliminate is ANY movement as soon as the tires are shocked, to prevent the start of weight transfer. You want them planted immediately.

That was the typre of cable I had considered. Eliminate all upward movement, but allow a bit of suspension compression for stopping at the big end.

 

[Ishodu]

Funny, I made my 96 wheelhop the other night in Chicago. So if I hear anyone else say that a gen 3 subframe wont wheelhop, il punch them in the taint. :wave:

Mine has done it a few times as well, no where near as much as the old subframe though.

 

[somedude_001]

Funny, I made my 96 wheelhop the other night in Chicago. So if I hear anyone else say that a gen 3 subframe wont wheelhop, il punch them in the taint. :wave:

my 1990 wheelhops like crazy with a G3. It is all in the engine mounts. My 94 turbo ATX never had wheel hop and I had a steel cable wrapped around the front engine mount on that car with the stock subframe in place.

 

[SHOtime2511]

my 90 never wheelhoped with the old SF.
with my luck,it'll start now.

 

[whiteguy3]

I never wheel hop. Then again I have a GEN 3 subframe with solid metal motor mounts. Alex is right though about the motor mounts. It makes a big difference in throttle response, shifting and feel of the car in turns with good solid motor mounts whether on an ATX or MTX.

 

[K-Dawg]

So if I hear anyone else say that a gen 3 subframe wont wheelhop, il punch them in the taint. :wave:

Who said that?

BTW, how are the struts in that car?

 

[St Louis SHO]

Struts are fine, as are the motor mounts.

I'm not dissing the frame. Its a great mod. I just think people expect it to perform a miracle.

 

[whiteguy3]

Your right though. Some do expect it to solve everything, but it does help without a doubt. It's a great mod. It's worth the work for sure.

 

[Toolman]

Struts are fine, as are the motor mounts.

I'm not dissing the frame. Its a great mod. I just think people expect it to perform a miracle.

What?! You mean it does not turn my SHO into a RWD?

 

[Sho Amo]

It does...









...But only in reverse.

 

[32MTX]

Struts are fine, as are the motor mounts.

I'm not dissing the frame. Its a great mod. I just think people expect it to perform a miracle.

I been saying that shit all along James

I'm almost thinking about doing it myself though,

the ONLY benefit I see to it is the lack of strut rod setup. And the ONLY thing I see good about that is I can't keep a set of strut rod bushings on the front of my car, they are always breaking/wearing.... if I could get something more durable, that would be a plus. That to me is the only positive outcome of a gen3 swap...



aren't some of the fastest SHO's in the 1/4 w/o a gen3 sf?

 

[frosho]

the ONLY benefit I see to it is the lack of strut rod setup. And the ONLY thing I see good about that is I can't keep a set of strut rod bushings on the front of my car, they are always breaking/wearing....That to me is the only positive outcome of a gen3 swap...

You're missing quite a few of the advantages. Not only do you lose the crappy strut rod and its associated bushings, but you also gain better geometry that results in reduced nose-dive under braking. On top of that, you get aluminum (lighter) knuckles, which include BOLT-IN wheel bearings (no need to remove the knuckle and press them in/out - that's a huge plus to me), and you can also use the superior Gen 3 ZF steering rack.

aren't some of the fastest SHO's in the 1/4 w/o a gen3 sf?

Maybe, but I'd guess that that's because the Gen 3 swap hadn't been done yet when they ran those times.

 

[kevinspann]

Gen 3 zf rack can be used with either subframe.

 

[32MTX]

a zf rack isn't that much better.... in fact, what the **** is wrong with the rack I have now?

it doesn't leak, and it works normally....... how much better does it get?

wheel bearings aren't an issue with me cause im not a lazy ass most of the time..... and I have a press

I drive my wife's gen3 all the time, it doesn't handle better then my car for certain, the most important thing to reduce nose dive while braking is brake proportioning and better springs to pick up on the weight transfer, no matter what you put under the car weight transfer is still going to take place.

I think too many people try to reason that its better or are under the placebo effect after spending so much money and time putting a gen3 rack/sf ......... if my strut rod bushings didn't fall apart left and right, there are 20 other things I'd rather spend that money/time on.

 

[frosho]

Gen 3 zf rack can be used with either subframe.

I know, but I included it because it would be stupid not to use it during a subframe swap.

a zf rack isn't that much better.... in fact, what the **** is wrong with the rack I have now?

it doesn't leak, and it works normally....... how much better does it get?

It eliminates a lot of that numb on-center feel of the Gen 1-2s. I think I noticed a little more steering effort too, which I liked. Just a better all-around feel, I guess. Have you driven a V8 SHO? I'll admit my experience with them is somewhat limited. I've never owned one, but I did do a good amount of driving in Mr Anonymous's car on the way home from Dearborn last year. I also drove it on-track during the charity laps at Waterford Hills.

wheel bearings aren't an issue with me cause im not a lazy ass most of the time..... and I have a press

I don't know what being a lazy ass has to do with anything. Are you saying you'd rather do more work to get the same job done?

I drive my wife's gen3 all the time, it doesn't handle better then my car for certain, the most important thing to reduce nose dive while braking is brake proportioning and better springs to pick up on the weight transfer, no matter what you put under the car weight transfer is still going to take place.

That may all be true, but it doesn't mean that the different geometry won't improve on it further.

I think too many people try to reason that its better or are under the placebo effect after spending so much money and time putting a gen3 rack/sf ......... if my strut rod bushings didn't fall apart left and right, there are 20 other things I'd rather spend that money/time on.

If you want to deny the benefits, go ahead. This thread is about 12-second SHO's, so I'm done arguing.

 

[Sho Amo]

trust me it helps. i did pretty much back to back 1/4 runs with them. it gets traction much better.


ps. you know that saying dont knock it til you try it? your gen3 gl is not a fair comparison at all.

 

[St Louis SHO]

 

[SHOtime2511]

a zf rack isn't that much better.... in fact, what the **** is wrong with the rack I have now?

it doesn't leak, and it works normally....... how much better does it get?

wheel bearings aren't an issue with me cause im not a lazy ass most of the time..... and I have a press

I drive my wife's gen3 all the time, it doesn't handle better then my car for certain, the most important thing to reduce nose dive while braking is brake proportioning and better springs to pick up on the weight transfer, no matter what you put under the car weight transfer is still going to take place.

I think too many people try to reason that its better or are under the placebo effect after spending so much money and time putting a gen3 rack/sf ......... if my strut rod bushings didn't fall apart left and right, there are 20 other things I'd rather spend that money/time on.

My main reasons for the swap were as follows.
1.my rack was shot.
2.strut rod bushings were shot,balljoints boots were ripped also.
3.serviceability,bolt in bearings and balljoints.
4.better overall design.

 

[SHOspazz92]

Getting my steering issues taken care of on Friday and heading to the strip soon.....

 

[SHOtime2511]

Its already hot here,no way in **** I'll touch 12's.