Yes, and you guys didn't respond to any of my posts. But I do agree, I didn't come here to argue but before you talk about money and having cash to pay for a car, it's really nobody's business how any one get's their car, I know a LOT of people who could pay for a car that chose not to, and for a variety of reasons. I'm done with this thread, I'm just happky that I've made friends with some pretty cool people here and hope to make more. BTW, I'm one of those really old guys here, heck, I can't even remember most of my college years.