Your input, Top 5 things the 2010 SHO needs for the next refresh.

[Shoman594]

The next SHO refresh is all ready being worked on. Even though most people have not driven the car I would like to gather info about what every one wants to see changed, improved or added.

Please post your numbered list here, with most the most important feature #1.

The info will be passed along to the right people.

 

[38SHO]

drop 10000 bucks and 1500lbs of weight.....

wait... why not just make an ecoboost fusion thats a base model stripped out....... with big brakes... real brakes!

4 piston calipers front, atleast 2 piston rear, huge rotors........

I just don't see a lot of people buying big ass heavy cars that are expensive and really, don't get that good of gas mileage.... a lot of other cars can be had for 40grand......

 

[Shoman594]

Bigger Brakes.

Thats all I read thanks for your input........

Please guys lets keep the BS out of this thread and keep on topic.

Its not like we all ready have enough replies ripping on the new SHO.

Who would have thought that this Is a SHO enthusiast forum ?

 

[TwistedD85]

Seriously though, a basic stripper version would be nice. SE interior and exterior but SHO running gear, performance package standard and simple options.

 

[Jonny Cash]

Cosmetic wise?

 

[peglegtom]

1. A Real Manual Trans

or at least a true semi-auto that holds gears and has seperate levers for upshifts and downshifts. These upshifts and downshifts should not be dependent upon what the computer thinks is "right!" The only over-ride should be if it exceeds the specified redline, however, it should hold the gear and bump off the rev limiter rather than upshift, and should downshift at any speed that does not exceed the redline.

2. An engine that is an "upgrade" from the standard ECO boost. This engine should be exclusive to the SHO. This could include higher compression, a more aggressive advance, etc. But the end result should be maximum power at a possible decrease in fuel economy.

3. Brakes that are in proportion to the engine and suspension upgrades. You should be able to engage the ABS when making a "panic" stop with the standard brake/tire option on dry pavement.

4. Summer specific wheel/tire options that are not available on any other model. This could include larger wheels and/or wider tires than available on any other Taurus or FoMoCo car using the ECO Boost engine.

5. An upgraded interior that is specific to the SHO and its increased power and cornering capabilities.

Of course, none of this will happen, because Ford will just use the SHO badge to promote what it has, rather than what it is capable of producing.

 

[1995SHO9]

1. Make it cheaper
2.More power and lighter.
3.Make it smaller, its HUGE!
4.A real manual transmission and RWD.



Thats what I would like to see changed. I'm not being smart, just saying what I'd like to see made different.

 

[roland]

drop 10000 bucks and 1500lbs of weight.....

wait... why not just make an ecoboost fusion thats a base model stripped out....... with big brakes... real brakes!

The Fusion Sport AWD weighs 3800 pounds. Adding in the Ecoboost motor and eliminating some of the luxury items unfortunately won't bring that number down


1: Some nice additions would be a nicer rear end. I don't really care for the rear taillights. Another nice addition would be body colored side skirts and rear/front bumper with a special look like the older SHO's.

2: Other nice changes would be something like Volvo's 4C suspension added in. I know it's optional on the Mondeo, so I'm guessing Ford has the ability to put it on a Taurus. It'd be really cool if this was more inclusive than suspension and included transmission and differential changes too (IE sport mode would send more torque to the rear wheels than normal, more aggressive shifting, etc)

3: An optional exhaust with the performance package that sounded more aggressive.
Bigger rotors, maybe 4 piston front calipers.


(Also part of 1): Maybe I'm alone in this, but I like the looks of the Mazda 6's rear bumper and tail pipes. Other similar looks are on the new Lacrosse and the LS460.

An optional wingish spoiler would be nice, not like a new Evo or something but a raised one for a sportier look.

 

[drivinhard]

1. Brakes
2. Brakes
3. Brakes

Some fixed 6/4 pots and reasonable rotor dia for it's mass/power (come on, the wheels are huge, no excuses, plenty of room) will go a long way towards validating this as a serious performance effort.

 

[Shoman594]

Cosmetic wise?

Yes for example what would you like to see different cosmetic wise. Or does every one like the "sleeper effect" where its tough to tell if its a sho or not.

Or would you like something like a body color package that would remove all the chrome ?

Just a few examples.

 

[hawkeye18]

1.) BIGGER BRAKES. Ford, you goobered the first time around with the brakes... please don't do it again. You did so good with the rest of the car! Or, at the very least, if they aren't already, make the brake parts interchangeable with mustang brakes, so as to make it easy for us to modify them ourselves. 2 pots would be good up front, and 4 pots would be awesome. I think 6 is a little overkill. And for gosh sakes, can you make them fill those enormous 20" wheels up some more? They look kinda silly. It's nice that you can bleed them with the wheels on, but still...

2.) A dedicated transmission. Ford, I realize that building a manual transmission costs a lot of money. You have to recertify with crash tests, fuel tests, insurance tests, not to mention the millions of R&D and testing you'd have to do. I understand. You went there with the ATX for the '93 MY. We know. But for pete's sake, please give it a stronger transmission. It's all but blindingly obvious that the engine's power is what it is because of the transmission. Again, you goobered the first time by giving it a (barely) gussied-up taurus transmission that simply couldn't handle the power as soon as slight mods were made. The 6F55 is nice, but can we have, say, a 6F75? The two biggest criticisms of the original SHOs were crappy brakes and weak transmissions. These are the two areas which you need to focus on most.

3.) Forged internals. Yes, I realize this is going to drive the cost of the engine up. But one of the most important things an engineer must understand is human nature. You engineers have to know that the first thing people are going to do is either push the turbos harder, or make them bigger, or both. It's inevitable. It's an enthusiast engine for an enthusiast car, and enthusiast modifications are going to be done. Don't make us spend a lot of money in parts and labor to get aftermarket forged rods. Something tells me that the EB going into the Mustang is going to be stronger. Just a hunch. Can you carry some of those improvements into the SHO?

4.) Why can't I have the track pack and (for example) heated rear seats? I'm paying damn near $45,000 for this car (which, in case you didn't know, is a lot), and you're gonna tell me what I can and can't have on it?

5.) Throw that god#%*n engine cover away. W. T. F. I'm driving a car with balls, not a tonka toy. Present it as such. I don't care if I see the COPs.

But overall, it seems like a pretty kick-ass car. Yes, it has faults. Every car in the history of the planet in its first MY has faults. It's a fact of life. The true test is to see whether Ford is willing to fix them and make them better. Your ancestors weren't willing to do so the first time around. Here's to hoping you do better!

 

[Shoman594]

1. Brakes
2. Brakes
3. Brakes

Some fixed 6/4 pots and reasonable rotor dia for it's mass/power (come on, the wheels are huge, no excuses, plenty of room) will go a long way towards validating this as a serious performance effort.

This is the top of every ones list and agreed 110%. They know they bigger brakes right now but its to late to make changes.

Basically we could use hardware right off the shelf with out getting way too expensive. The GT-500 which has 19" rims and uses 14" front rotors.

Maybe even a brembo upgrade for the serious shopper.

 

[Shoman594]

or at least a true semi-auto that holds gears and has seperate levers for upshifts and downshifts. These upshifts and downshifts should not be dependent upon what the computer thinks is "right!" The only over-ride should be if it exceeds the specified redline, however, it should hold the gear and bump off the rev limiter rather than upshift, and should downshift at any speed that does not exceed the redline.

2. An engine that is an "upgrade" from the standard ECO boost. This engine should be exclusive to the SHO. This could include higher compression, a more aggressive advance, etc. But the end result should be maximum power at a possible decrease in fuel economy.

3. Brakes that are in proportion to the engine and suspension upgrades. You should be able to engage the ABS when making a "panic" stop with the standard brake/tire option on dry pavement.

4. Summer specific wheel/tire options that are not available on any other model. This could include larger wheels and/or wider tires than available on any other Taurus or FoMoCo car using the ECO Boost engine.

5. An upgraded interior that is specific to the SHO and its increased power and cornering capabilities.

Of course, none of this will happen, because Ford will just use the SHO badge to promote what it has, rather than what it is capable of producing.

Good list. The SHO's transmission will bounce off the redline if you have it in manual mode. This is what we wanted.

Some more interior changes would also be welcomed.

The fact that the SHO is back means that ford is beginning to listen and knows people want more than just a bland daily driver.

 

[Shoman594]

1.) BIGGER BRAKES. Ford, you goobered the first time around with the brakes... please don't do it again. You did so good with the rest of the car! Or, at the very least, if they aren't already, make the brake parts interchangeable with mustang brakes, so as to make it easy for us to modify them ourselves. 2 pots would be good up front, and 4 pots would be awesome. I think 6 is a little overkill. And for gosh sakes, can you make them fill those enormous 20" wheels up some more? They look kinda silly. It's nice that you can bleed them with the wheels on, but still...

2.) A dedicated transmission. Ford, I realize that building a manual transmission costs a lot of money. You have to recertify with crash tests, fuel tests, insurance tests, not to mention the millions of R&D and testing you'd have to do. I understand. You went there with the ATX for the '93 MY. We know. But for pete's sake, please give it a stronger transmission. It's all but blindingly obvious that the engine's power is what it is because of the transmission. Again, you goobered the first time by giving it a (barely) gussied-up taurus transmission that simply couldn't handle the power as soon as slight mods were made. The 6F55 is nice, but can we have, say, a 6F75? The two biggest criticisms of the original SHOs were crappy brakes and weak transmissions. These are the two areas which you need to focus on most.

3.) Forged internals. Yes, I realize this is going to drive the cost of the engine up. But one of the most important things an engineer must understand is human nature. You engineers have to know that the first thing people are going to do is either push the turbos harder, or make them bigger, or both. It's inevitable. It's an enthusiast engine for an enthusiast car, and enthusiast modifications are going to be done. Don't make us spend a lot of money in parts and labor to get aftermarket forged rods. Something tells me that the EB going into the Mustang is going to be stronger. Just a hunch. Can you carry some of those improvements into the SHO?

4.) Why can't I have the track pack and (for example) heated rear seats? I'm paying damn near $45,000 for this car (which, in case you didn't know, is a lot), and you're gonna tell me what I can and can't have on it?

5.) Throw that god#%*n engine cover away. W. T. F. I'm driving a car with balls, not a tonka toy. Present it as such. I don't care if I see the COPs.

But overall, it seems like a pretty kick-ass car. Yes, it has faults. Every car in the history of the planet in its first MY has faults. It's a fact of life. The true test is to see whether Ford is willing to fix them and make them better. Your ancestors weren't willing to do so the first time around. Here's to hoping you do better!

Jason, that was a good thought out post.

Again on the brakes they know they kind of missed the boat on this one and I know the next change will reflect this.

On the transmission I am hopping for the next refresh the new dual clutch auto will be ready and a good replacement.

The engine, I believe some of these changes are coming the initial cost of the engine is quite high. I think once these engines are out for a bit and reach more models we willl see the cost stabilize. Other changes we may see is a 3.7L version of the EcoBoost.

The option list is a goofy one for example you cant get radar cruise control with the track pack. Heck you cant even get a spare tire with the 20"s. There has to be a good reason for some of these items and I would like to find out.

Again the engine cover is bad, apparently they wanted to cover the entire compartment!!! and it was a fight just to get some of the engine to show. I also hear that some of the higher ups dont like the cover either so we are all in agreement.

 

[AceGoliath]

More sporty colors anyone?
Midnight Blue would be a start.

 

[SHO1]

Don't want it to lose the sleeper status, but the front and rear do need to be noticably different than the other model tauruses like the older models. Doesn't have to be alot, but atleast a little more than now, which seems to be none except the one badge on trunk. Don't really think the front needs to be changed much, if at all. Actually like the front the way it is now, awesome for the SHO. The other models are what should be diff, especially the lower part. Should be alittle more plain/less of an aggressive performance look like the older models were compared to SHO's.

Have to see a few in person 1st, but may prefer some of the chrome trim to be body color or maybe black.

 

[Rubix]

No specific order, just random sleep deprived thoughts...

The chrome triangles which house the fog lights in front fascia could be multifunctional. They could be opened up and used as brake ducts, beneficial if no bigger brakes can be offered. I haven't inspected them in person yet so perhaps this isn't possible.

Body colored emblems.
Better transmission (think true manual - three pedals).
More wheel options/styles.

 

[1993MTXSHO]

-Shorter doors as far as the look, and make the windows bigger (especially the rear so I Can see out it. I don't think it's as big of a car as it appears to be, but that deters a lot of people form buying it.

-Bigger brakes, and come on, are we really doing this solid rear rotor thing again?

-Manual transmission option for real enthusiasts that truly enjoy the 3rd pedal.

 

[SHOtime2511]

i know it will never change but this car is just too damn fat.
drop it 1K lbs and that should solve most of the preformance and braking complaints.

 

[GR8WYT]

Top 4

First, thanks to the Ford product planners and engineers for giving us the oppportunity to provide constructive feedback; that says a lot about the company and it's commitment.

1. Bigger brakes.
2. DSG Style transmission.
3. 450hp.
4. Suspension tuning and tires capable of 155+ mph. Make this car a "Bahn Stormer".

And I don't mind paying for the capability. This car could be/should be a CTS-V killer.

Thanks for setting this up!