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1. Brakes - Come on, let's get some proper equipment up front on the base and pp sho.
2. Power - With a car this heavy it needs a little more juice, say 400 hp.
3. With the PP sho you still should be able to select any of the options.
4. Proper internals on the engine and trans so this car can handle some heavy aftermarket tuning.
5. How about a fiberglass hood/trunk option?
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1. Brakes - Come on, let's get some proper equipment up front on the base and pp sho.
2. Power - With a car this heavy it needs a little more juice, say 400 hp.
3. With the PP sho you still should be able to select any of the options.
4. Proper internals on the engine and trans so this car can handle some heavy aftermarket tuning.
5. How about a fiberglass hood/trunk option?
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ryan21288
New Member
From what i can see this is what i would want:
1: LOWER PRICE!! The SHO is supposed to be affordable at the current price i would rather buy a used S4.
2: Either a dual clutch or a manual tranny. Even though my sho is an ATX i prefer manuals. I would love to see one in the new SHO
3: More power!! as tim allen would say. It just needs some more guts. 400hp would be acceptable.
4: Brakes: Really needs some bigger brakes. Those stopping distances are pretty bad.
5: Engine Cover: Get rid of it lol. I know everyone on here wants something they can powder coat. When i open the hood of my car it makes people say WOW. People don't expect something that looks as good as the Yamaha V6 under the hood of a taurus.
1: LOWER PRICE!! The SHO is supposed to be affordable at the current price i would rather buy a used S4.
2: Either a dual clutch or a manual tranny. Even though my sho is an ATX i prefer manuals. I would love to see one in the new SHO
3: More power!! as tim allen would say. It just needs some more guts. 400hp would be acceptable.
4: Brakes: Really needs some bigger brakes. Those stopping distances are pretty bad.
5: Engine Cover: Get rid of it lol. I know everyone on here wants something they can powder coat. When i open the hood of my car it makes people say WOW. People don't expect something that looks as good as the Yamaha V6 under the hood of a taurus.
badcamelot
SHO Member
2010
Seems to me that you can take any 40+ year run of the few cars left with that lineage and there is one common factor - faithful following. So build a car that those people want. Ford have to appeal to a broad base of customers, this we all understand. But the car's need to appeal to all by having many comforts and luxury items, is usually not in keeping with performance aspirations - extra weight - but it surely would be easy and less expensive to have as even a 'order only' option, a track version. Dealers and Ford would not have to inventory any of this. Just the parts department would and dealers love their parts dept to be busy.
1. Brakes. be they vented, cross drilled or what not or even radical ceramic versions.
2. Trim all the fat. Navigation is great on the drive bragging to neighbors, but very few people ever use it or know how to. Definately track minded people dont want it. Plus audio systems add weight too. And with a really well tuned exhaust and intake set-up (they even funnel sound into cars now) the track crowd wouldnt need or want any. Same thing with leather. Alcantara and lightweight seats - minus pwr options - would be good too.
3. Lower the car,stiffer springs and 18's. who needs 20 for track? And replacement tire costs for 20's furgetaboutit
4. Color options exclusive to only the SHO
5. Visually different from other Taurus stablemates.
Having the option to order a car like this would allow Ford to appeal and cater to the the very true core of those who care most about the spirit of an SHO and the average lot walker. It should cost less (unless of course they use say a 911 ceramic brake set-up
) Think of deleting nav, audio,leather and pwr options. Should cost alot less right. Plus how much weight would be saved 100's of lbs. My thoughts on a manual trans are that with technology DSG types are better, require less moving parts and eventually will cost less (mass production and demand always drive prices down) and will weigh less too. Plus if many of these cars are to be used as DD then when the Misses gets in she can still drive the 'auto' while we 'row' through gears. Nostalgia still has us admiring carbs, but we all know fuel injection is better, more efficient and now capable of better performance than carbs, but 30 years ago that debate would have fallen on deaf ears.
In the early 90's a high 20K priced SHO caused a 40K BMW to try to justify why it was almost double the money. A 50K SHO is a bit high when considering what is available from the competition. Not unreasonable, just high. Now pair that with a order only track option costing say 35k, dropped 600lbs and produced 75 more hp and 50ftq.
Theres my two cents.
Seems to me that you can take any 40+ year run of the few cars left with that lineage and there is one common factor - faithful following. So build a car that those people want. Ford have to appeal to a broad base of customers, this we all understand. But the car's need to appeal to all by having many comforts and luxury items, is usually not in keeping with performance aspirations - extra weight - but it surely would be easy and less expensive to have as even a 'order only' option, a track version. Dealers and Ford would not have to inventory any of this. Just the parts department would and dealers love their parts dept to be busy.
1. Brakes. be they vented, cross drilled or what not or even radical ceramic versions.
2. Trim all the fat. Navigation is great on the drive bragging to neighbors, but very few people ever use it or know how to. Definately track minded people dont want it. Plus audio systems add weight too. And with a really well tuned exhaust and intake set-up (they even funnel sound into cars now) the track crowd wouldnt need or want any. Same thing with leather. Alcantara and lightweight seats - minus pwr options - would be good too.
3. Lower the car,stiffer springs and 18's. who needs 20 for track? And replacement tire costs for 20's furgetaboutit
4. Color options exclusive to only the SHO
5. Visually different from other Taurus stablemates.
Having the option to order a car like this would allow Ford to appeal and cater to the the very true core of those who care most about the spirit of an SHO and the average lot walker. It should cost less (unless of course they use say a 911 ceramic brake set-up
) Think of deleting nav, audio,leather and pwr options. Should cost alot less right. Plus how much weight would be saved 100's of lbs. My thoughts on a manual trans are that with technology DSG types are better, require less moving parts and eventually will cost less (mass production and demand always drive prices down) and will weigh less too. Plus if many of these cars are to be used as DD then when the Misses gets in she can still drive the 'auto' while we 'row' through gears. Nostalgia still has us admiring carbs, but we all know fuel injection is better, more efficient and now capable of better performance than carbs, but 30 years ago that debate would have fallen on deaf ears.In the early 90's a high 20K priced SHO caused a 40K BMW to try to justify why it was almost double the money. A 50K SHO is a bit high when considering what is available from the competition. Not unreasonable, just high. Now pair that with a order only track option costing say 35k, dropped 600lbs and produced 75 more hp and 50ftq.
Theres my two cents.
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Not many of us can afford the car... obviously. Many on here bought these cars used and have put blood, sweat, and tears into keeping them on the road. All that aside, I think we will have to wait and see just how successful the car is in the marketplace. The weight issue aside, I think Ford was right in putting alot of tech into the car. The push-button start, sync, sony sound system, adaptive cruise... all these features make the car attractive. A major step in the right direction would be, as others have written, to expand the SHO into the realm of the Fusion. I agree with others that weight plays a big role, but I also know that I would be one of the first in line if I could afford this car.
tardboy21
SHO Member
I think the price is right on. I wouldn't want it lower because then the market will be flooded with them. The great thing about SHO's is that there seems to be just the right number out there. This helps keep the sleeper status. The 99 SHO that I have was over 30k 10 years ago with no where near as sophisticated as this new beast.
Also, I don't want a different body (shell) unless the regular Taurus body changes (again sleep status).
1. get on a diet and drop a couple hundred pounds
2. a couple more SHO-specific features (surprise me. rear bumper perhaps?)
3. Engine bay - don't know if its possible, but man what I would give for some hot runners. lets show a little tube shall we? I love my SHOs the most for their unique engine and handling combo.
4. tranny - manual
Also, I don't want a different body (shell) unless the regular Taurus body changes (again sleep status).
1. get on a diet and drop a couple hundred pounds
2. a couple more SHO-specific features (surprise me. rear bumper perhaps?)
3. Engine bay - don't know if its possible, but man what I would give for some hot runners. lets show a little tube shall we? I love my SHOs the most for their unique engine and handling combo.
4. tranny - manual
Start selling the Falcon from Australia here as the Taurus, with an unique version of the Ecoboost for the SHO model. The Falcon is substantially lighter, RWD, still a 4 door, and looks pretty similar to the Taurus. It also has the option for a 6 speed manual tranny. Oh, and it costs about the same as the Taurus too.
jbserra
SHO Member
Well, they listened to part of your message. What a great surprise to see a SHO on display at Road America at the Ford tent AND they had one for test drives! After the Chicago car SHOw where I couldn't even sit in the car, it was great to be able to sit in the demo car and then go over to the kart track and take one for a couple laps. Ford continues to impress me. They just reinforced what I already knew.
Wow, and talk about a display! The GT/GT40 tent was AMAZING!
Well, since you asked...
The first two are the "biggies" for me.
1- Brakes! Grab the biggest brakes on the shelf -- to save money, I s'pose --and slap 'em on. Whoever chimed in with suggesting the GT500 brakes may be on to something.
2- STICK SHIFT. To be honest, if I can't push-start it in an emergency, I'm not interested. I LIKE pushing a clutch pedal.
These'd be NICE, but I'm not so adamant about them.
3- More body-color stuff, less polish-y/chrome-y stuff. (The wheels look a little too blingy for my taste.)
4- The option of a "stripper" variation would be nice.
5- Lighter weight. I'm not expecting it to come in 800lb. lighter, but shaving off a coupla hundred would make a lot of difference. Yes, I realize we live in a wolrd where a Mustang (!) weighs in at 4000lb. (!!)
Just one man's opinion.
-Joe in SoFla
The first two are the "biggies" for me.
1- Brakes! Grab the biggest brakes on the shelf -- to save money, I s'pose --and slap 'em on. Whoever chimed in with suggesting the GT500 brakes may be on to something.
2- STICK SHIFT. To be honest, if I can't push-start it in an emergency, I'm not interested. I LIKE pushing a clutch pedal.
These'd be NICE, but I'm not so adamant about them.
3- More body-color stuff, less polish-y/chrome-y stuff. (The wheels look a little too blingy for my taste.)
4- The option of a "stripper" variation would be nice.
5- Lighter weight. I'm not expecting it to come in 800lb. lighter, but shaving off a coupla hundred would make a lot of difference. Yes, I realize we live in a wolrd where a Mustang (!) weighs in at 4000lb. (!!)
Just one man's opinion.
-Joe in SoFla
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shobote
SHO Member
After finally seeing and sitting in one; we all agree on brake upgrade option, more boost etc., but some packaging changes would not cost a cent and make a lot of potential buyers happier. ME included, as I will not buy one as is.
- make the moonroof a seperate line item and do not package it in. Anyone over 6'4" cannot fit in the drivers seat with a moonroof and all the good stuf is only availoable with a moonroof.
- For tall folks who want moonroof, option the huge panorama moonroof from the MKS; very cool and next best thing to a convertible and doesn't take away headroom for front seat drivers.
- let the buyer choose wheel sizes for the trac pak; 20's increase unsprung weight and ride harshness.
- make the moonroof a seperate line item and do not package it in. Anyone over 6'4" cannot fit in the drivers seat with a moonroof and all the good stuf is only availoable with a moonroof.
- For tall folks who want moonroof, option the huge panorama moonroof from the MKS; very cool and next best thing to a convertible and doesn't take away headroom for front seat drivers.
- let the buyer choose wheel sizes for the trac pak; 20's increase unsprung weight and ride harshness.
Bob Knudsen
New Member
I want the performance pack and the luxury pack together. I want the performance pack for when I want to play and I want the luxury pack because I am getting old and I like the creature comforts, especially in a daily driver.
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