wiring/ amp integrator/ amp bypass/ HUH?

[HoustinoJillian]

i've been searching around, and keep finding more info that just confuses me. all i want to do is hook up my aftermarket head unit so that everything stock works. my speaker grilles say premium osund on them, so by educated guess, i believe i have the premium sound system. would someone please tell me how to do this? i do not want to bypass the factory amp and lose the sub. there's gotta be a wiring harness that fits exactly with how the stock harness is configured so as to not leave anything out. connecting the wiring harness and the bit that comes with the head unit is no problem, its just the sub bypass thing (which i do not want to do) that confuses me. my head unit's the pioneer 4600MP one, but that shouldn't really matter.

 

[SHOMA]

Buy the amp integrating harness, it plugs in behind the head unit, and wires up your new radio. If you have a factory sub, it will still work, but unless you have JBL you probably dont have a sub. Whatever the case, check ebay for the amp integrator. (researched ebay, found one, link posted below). The one below is the right one, whether you have JBL or premium sound. As long as you have an amp in the car from the factory and it is still functional, thats the one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32812&item=5712115961&rd=1

I will say this though, on my 92, I used the amp bypass one, it just unplugs the wires on each side of the amp, and connects them, took me 10 seconds to install, and sounds better IMO, because now I am using the internal amp inside my head unit. Good Luck!

 

[SHOMA]

Buy the amp integrating harness, it plugs in behind the head unit, and wires up your new radio. If you have a factory sub, it will still work, but unless you have JBL you probably dont have a sub. Whatever the case, check ebay for the amp integrator. (researched ebay, found one, link posted below). The one below is the right one, whether you have JBL or premium sound. As long as you have an amp in the car from the factory and it is still functional, thats the one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32812&item=5712115961&rd=1

I will say this though, on my 92, I used the amp bypass one, it just unplugs the wires on each side of the amp, and connects them, took me 10 seconds to install, and sounds better IMO, because now I am using the internal amp inside my head unit. Good Luck!
Kevin

 

[Sho_Freak]

like i have said in one of your other posts, i used the amp integrator, and it sounds great with the stock amp(s) and pioneer speakers. the stock 6x8's in the back have very nice low end on them, but with your new hu, ull prob want to replace the speaker. i have had absolutely no problmes with this "4ohm hu and the 6ohm premium amps" everything sounds great and its about 10 bux cheaper. DONT BYPASS THE AMP. some people say if u do, ull get better sound, and i would have to put up an arguement with them (after hearing george's new hu and speakers with his premium amp bypassed) and see if my system sounds better than theirs, and ill even turn my aftermarket sub and amp off.

 

[SHOMA]

SHOFREAK, it may depend on the headunit. I put my alpine into my 92 with the existing amp, and with the volume at 11 the speakers were LOUD, yet the subs do not hit well until 20 or so on the head unit. Once I bypassed the amp, it sounds 110 times better! I dont have JBL though, I did do the amp integrator in my 94 with jbl, stock speakers, and it sounded sweet! I think he just has premium sound, not JBL, therefore a definite sound improvement when the amp is bypassed, IMHO.
Kevin

 

[Sho_Freak]

i have the 2 year older model of what he has(deh-4400), and my subs hit less than they did in my old car, but i took em out for more trunk room, and put in a single MTX 10" sub with a 600watt rms apm, and OOOOOOO its sounds good. my system is LOUD with the volume on 6 out of a total of 30 volume pts.

do this if u want trunk room and a sub, it more rattles stuff than hearing it, but thats ok with me, (never listen to rap, all metal and older hair bands, and old school garth brooks!)the 6x8's have good bass response all the way down to 30 hz:

 

[SinisterSHO]

Where did you get that box? Any differences than mounting a box right behind the rear seat?

 

[HoustinoJillian]

i beleive he made the box himself- as for differences, it should be losing some bass to the trunk, and if anything's loose (trunk lid, etc) makes it rattle more than if mounted to fire into the back seat... but i think it looks pretty sweet, the only thing is i need my trunk for lots of stuff and it seems liek the sub'd get damaged by something rolling/ falling into it if mounted like that

 

[slickn56]

i beleive he made the box himself- as for differences, it should be losing some bass to the trunk, and if anything's loose (trunk lid, etc) makes it rattle more than if mounted to fire into the back seat... but i think it looks pretty sweet, the only thing is i need my trunk for lots of stuff and it seems liek the sub'd get damaged by something rolling/ falling into it if mounted like that

How do you know it will be losing some bass because the box is not behind the seat? Mounting the sub where he has put it will make the bass deeper. Try it for yourself and see. If my 12 inch subs didnt need a huge box I would have both of them in the far corners of the trunk. In home theatre this tecnique is called corner loading.

 

[HoustinoJillian]

i'm going on what my friends (professional car audio visual installation) have told me, to get the best bass and the least rattly out of a sub , mount it so it fires directly int othe seats or the rear of the car. easy there.

 

[n8rsk8r]

Yes corner loading is good,IF, the waves don't cancel themselves out, if you can figure the length between them, you can actually reinforce the same wave making it that much stronger, firing back has always been what I have heard, and you need to have the speakers exactly the same distance from the back, or level on the front side, that way the soundwaves don't cancel each other, it would be like going to a pond, throwing a rock at the water, and then right next to it another, the second one will disturb and cancel some of the wave that it is next to, it is out of sync. anyways, that is my two cents. Oh and bass is a frequency, it doesn't matter really which way it points per say, because it is all about making pressure, that said, couple it with what I said above, you can increase pressure, or by placement can actually lose pressure, anyway, good luck, they look stylish, and I bet save room like a mug!

n8rsk8r

 

[SuperHO]

Okay....I gotta put in my 2 cents. I've got two SHOs with aftermarket head units...one's running the stock speakers and amps, but the other has NOTHING stock....not even wiring.

My 94 has a Pioneer DEH-P5500 wired into the factory JBL system, and for my wife, it's perfect. it's not loud enough for me, cuz the amps start to cut out around volume level 35, but I drove a Bradley Fighting Vehicle across Iraq, so I'm half deaf. I replaced her factory sub with a JL 6W0, and it was a direct drop in and the factory amp does a wonderful job running it. It doesn't drop like the Rockford Fosgate 12" that I've got in the trunk of my 92, but it does suprisingly well without an aftermarket amp.

My 92 on the other hand is running damn near a competition grade system. Eclipse 3434 in the dash running a set of Infiniti's all the way around. I've got a Rockford Fosgate 501bd running a Power HX2 in a vented box in the trunk, and it makes all sorts of nasty noise when I turn up the gains on the deck. Of course, I've got the obligitory bumper rattle, but it's all par for the course. I can't hear the rattle in the car, so I don't really care. But it's plenty loud. I'm also looking at a 4 channel Eclipse amp to run the mids and highs, cuz some of the CDs I run don't have the same volume as the rest, so I can run the CDs at full volume with perfect sound quality...but too quiet to me.

Anywho, it's all a matter of taste and musical likes. I listen to everything, so I have to have a versitile system. And lordy, I have one. $1700 gets you a lot these days.

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Silver 92
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gutted cats
gutted airbox
K&N drop in
Dynomax mufflers
aluminum SFBs
Doug Lewis custom burned Superchip

Blue 94 ATX
gutted intake
K&N drop in
weird aftermarket exhaust

 

[shoteen95]

Jl 6w0

SuperHO, how much was that 6.5in JL audio sub, i'm looking for a replacement for the stocker in mine and am really interested in the idea of a direct drop in. Does it sound any better then the stock sub (while still using the stock amp)?

 

[SuperHO]

SuperHO, how much was that 6.5in JL audio sub, i'm looking for a replacement for the stocker in mine and am really interested in the idea of a direct drop in. Does it sound any better then the stock sub (while still using the stock amp)?

It sounds a helluva lot better than the stock sub IMHO. I mean, of course it is. It's a JL vs. JBL. It only has about 150 peak power handling, and it drops right in the factory enclosure. You might want to pull the baffle between the sub and the rear package shelf out to expand the sound a little bit. The best part is, you can't hear it outside of the car, it's non-intrusive into the trunk, and there's no God-forsaken trunk rattle like I have in mine. and if you really feel froggy, just hook up a nice 150 watt amp up to it for some REALLY nice output.

BTW, I only paid $79 for mine at Classic Car Stereo here in Kalamazoo, MI. Check around.

 

[Sho_Freak]

Where did you get that box? Any differences than mounting a box right behind the rear seat?

i made the box myself, it was actually quite easy to make.....i have found that it sounds deeper than what a 10 behind the seat sounds like (like slickn56 said) and i havent had a problem with anything in the trunk hitting the sub, even like when we go camping or hunting and i have alot of crap back there.... even if u are worried, just put a grille on it..... and i tryed one in the other side, and it kept tripping that fuel pump shut-off thing. nothing rattles much anymore( i tightened some bolts...), overall im quite happy with the box and the sound.