Upper 60k'd!!!!!! pics too

[MyFirstSHO]

I would just like to start out by saying, I know some of you know me and most of you don't. You may think Im a dick when I post, you may not. Lets just say Im an emotional person. And this repair was ONLY possible by the help I have so generously received here. Thanks EVERYONE!!

Ok now down to business. I started this project Thursday at noon and ended friday pm at 4 oclock.

For someone who has NEVER took off AN intake manifold NEVERMIND AN SHO Manifold, and has NEVER worked on an DOHC motor before, I think I handled this pretty good.

By the way, I completed this whole job with the help of NO ONE but myself!!

Took me 2 hours to take off intake manifold (Yes 2 hours, I cant even believe it!)
Took me 6 hours to change BOTH valve cover gaskets and 6 plug well seals
Took me 4 hours to put intake back on.

All this by myself mind you! Not even someone to watch me!

I did not disassemble the intake or clean it out. I just cleaned the outside, blew compressed air threw all vacuum and coolant *******, and cleaned the mating surfaces.

I didnt have the time nor the energy to dissassemble the intake at this time, I still got the gaskets so It will get done at a future time.

This pic was taken 5 seconds after I pulled the front valve cover, i wish it was clearer there was NO pitting at ALL not even a scratch on ANY cam lobes, needless to say I was elated.

Oopsy heres a better one-

Yea I cleaned the wells before I pulled the cover. (I did the opposite on the back valve cover)

Just as I suspected, the back plug wells were almost COMPLETELY full of oil. I nearly **** myself. I thought (and so did my mom) Doing all this was overkill, But quite the contrary.

Slapped her back together and she started on the first try like nothing ever happened.

Im prolly forgeting a bunch of stuff but at least its DONE.

BTW I snapped 0 bolts. Yep I think thats a new record for me.

And I think I layed under my car for about 15 mins while it was running waiting for ANY leaks. I then proceeded to drive it for 30 mins and stopping to check for leaks. None detected.

THANK YOU SHOFORUM!!!!!!!!!!

ps. Ill have more pics up when I get time

<small>[ February 21, 2004, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: MyFirstSHO ]</small>

 

[Diameg]

Just a few things here....

Do not start a post off by questioning who will think you are a dick or not. Kind of makes you sound like a dick. thumb

From what you have described, you didn't do an upper 60k on your car.
The main thing of an upper 60K is the actual valve lash adjustment. Perhaps you did it and didn't mention it? But if you did not check the clearances of all the shims and put in new sized shims as needed, then all you simply did was replace the plug well and valve cover gaskets.

That's not necessarily a bad thing and sounds like it was really needed, but you did not do the upper 60K.

The good news, you know now how to take the manifold off and it gets easier each time you do it. You will have to do it all again if you want to do the upper 60K.

Just a word of advice....you may not want to lie under the car to check for leaks. Coolant and oil tend to get rather hot and if they do leak while you are lying under the car, well, you may just qualify yourself for a Darwin Award.

Now get a shim kit from one of the vendors and have some fun!

 

[revhardSHO]

Do not start a post off by questioning who will think you are a dick or not. Kind of makes you sound like a dick. thumb

lol thats just what i was thinking rofl

This pic was taken 5 seconds after I pulled the front valve cover, i wish it was clearer there was NO pitting at ALL not even a scratch on ANY cam lobes, needless to say I was elated.

A shiny smooth lobe can also be a worn lobe FYI. How many miles on the motor?

Good work.

 

[40BelowSummer]

cool, glad to see someone do a 60k w/ no problems (broken bolts, leaks, etc.)

gives me more encouragement to do my first 60k very soon. (ive never took a intake off either)

 

[Rockledge]

Nice job on the gaskets and plug well seals. I bet your spark plugs are thanking you right now since they no longer sit in oil & water and the igntion system can now operate as designed.

The upper intake is a bit of a chore to remove the first time through, but next time you will find it a lot easier.

thumb

 

[MyFirstSHO]

"then all you simply did was replace the plug well and valve cover gaskets."

You must not know what an upper 60k is PartNA.

I spent ****** $500 in parts on that job ALONE and NO i didnt just replace my gaskets.

And FYI I wasnt laying UNDER the car. Thats not even possible with it NOT jacked up.

And I can bet $$ I have more common sense than You Diamag (whatever THAT means) sounds like you just JEALOUS.

I dont even know why I post hear anymore, im just gonna take info and leave from now on.

And If you actually READ my post you can-

A: Find out how many miles were on my sho

AND

B: Find out how many miles were on my sho when I fixed it

Its in my sig.

<small>[ February 22, 2004, 06:55 AM: Message edited by: MyFirstSHO ]</small>

 

[sideSHO]

I would just like to start out by saying, I know some of you know me and most of you don't. You may think Im a dick when I post, you may not. Lets just say Im an emotional person. And this repair was ONLY possible by the help I have so generously received here. Thanks EVERYONE!!


He was just trying to so generously help you.If cam covers and plug wells were all you did,then you did'nt do an upper 60k.
But anyhow,feels good to do it yourself huh?

 

[Diameg]

Oh, calm down and don't cry like a baby.

If you read my post, I said that 'from what you described, you didn't do an upper 60K'.
The main part of an upper 60K is the valve lash adjustment and you did not mention it at all, which is rather odd seeing as that is not only the most time consuming part of the upper 60K, but also probably the most important.
You didn't mention it, period.

Now, let's see. Why did I put that you laid under the car checking for leaks. I must have made that up.
Or, perhaps it was from your quote:

MyFirstSHO:

And I think I layed under my car for about 15 mins while it was running waiting for ANY leaks.

No, I don't think it was from that. I must have just made it up.

As for how many miles are in your sig, I don't really care. I did not once address how many miles you have or don't have.

If you did do your valve lash adjustment, good job. If not, well, still good job but it is not a 60K.

Time for you to freak out again like an insecure *****.

<small>[ February 22, 2004, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: Diameg ]</small>

 

[SolidState]

don't be jealous, mike...

what did your car run last time? 14.7 or so? against the wind? with that 'experienced' clutch? laugh_ti

*shakes head*....when will the new guys learn...

Cheers... lock beer

 

[Diameg]

Teg,

Ah, he must have just misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't cutting him up for changing his gaskets, I was just pointing out that if that is all he did and he didn't do the shims, then he didn't do a '60K' at least by the standard definition accepted within the SHO community.

I'm a little surprised that he got so upset at me pointing that out, but oh well.

It is kind of funny that he says I must be 'jealous'. Jealous of what? I don't see as how there is anything to be jealous of him for, nor of him to be jealous of me for? Just doesn't make sense to me, but then as he pointed out, I guess I just don't have any common sense.

Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to go lie under my car and ask my wife to drive it forward and backwards repeatedly to see if I can find the source of an annoying rattle.

 

[Rockledge]

Diameg:
Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to go lie under my car and ask my wife to drive it forward and backwards repeatedly to see if I can find the source of an annoying rattle.

Reminds me of that video I saw on Court TV where a woman ran over cheating husband at least half a dozen times...the driveway was circular, so she had to crank the wheel a little bit, and round and round she went... eek! .

I think later she was trying to claim it was all just an accident... shrug

 

[Diameg]

Wow, 6 'accidents' in one day all involving running over her husband.

Wait a second, was she blond? If so, she might be actually telling the truth.

 

[revhardSHO]

MyFirstSHO:
"then all you simply did was replace the plug well and valve cover gaskets."

You must not know what an upper 60k is PartNA.

I spent ****** $500 in parts on that job ALONE and NO i didnt just replace my gaskets.

And FYI I wasnt laying UNDER the car. Thats not even possible with it NOT jacked up.

And I can bet $$ I have more common sense than You Diamag (whatever THAT means) sounds like you just JEALOUS.

I dont even know why I post hear anymore, im just gonna take info and leave from now on.

And If you actually READ my post you can-

A: Find out how many miles were on my sho

AND

B: Find out how many miles were on my sho when I fixed it

Its in my sig.

Im sorry to so deeply upset you, my bad.

 

[MyFirstSHO]

Ok you got me. I didnt replace the shims. I checked the clearances and visually inspected them, and they turned out fine. But I didnt replace them. I didnt know you HAD to replace them to claim "I did a 60K".

But if you must know exactly what I did then here:
NEW Valve cover gaskets
NEW Plug well seals
NEW Intake-to-head gaskets
NEW Spark plugs
NEW Plug wires
Washed my cam covers in gunk tank for an hour each
Gapped NEW plugs correctly
Checked shim clearances
Checked cam lobes for ANY wear
Torqued EVERY single fastener I could fit a torque wrench on.
Lots of anti-seize

I didnt replace the shims because I didnt need to.

So what would YOU call that repair, Diameg?

What ever happened to "If it aint broke, dont fix it?

Now its "If it aint broke, pretend it is. Then fix it."

Cool. thumb

EDIT: OK I think I know where the misunderstanding is-

"Took me 2 hours to take off intake manifold (Yes 2 hours, I cant even believe it!)
Took me 6 hours to change BOTH valve cover gaskets and 6 plug well seals
Took me 4 hours to put intake back on."

I now realize how that looks. When I said that, Took me X hours to do this, That includes EVERYTHING else involved with removing or replacing that part.

SO,

The 6 hours it took to change the gaskets also included cleaning spark plug wells, cleaning cam covers, checking clearences, and reassembling everything. Kinda a package deal. I wanted to keep it short and sweet, not list every little thing I did like, "Took me 1.435 hours to check shims on front head" and shit like that.

AND

The 4 hours to put the intake manifold back on included cleaning the heads up really good. Actually lining up and dropping the intake back on (by myself) took about 28 seconds. And im not even joking on that one AT ALL. If you really thought it took me 4 hours to put an intake back ON right after I took it off then slap

Again, I said that only so I wouldnt have to go into a long, drawnout, probably longest thread on this site, thread, to explain what I did. But I obiously had to for some of the slower members.

AND the whole reason for me wasting my time posting this, is for all the other people that don't even know where the oil in the plug wells comes from, nevermind how to fix it.

To pass on knowledge, to let newer members know Ive done this repair so they can ask me ANYTHING about it. Its all about HELPING each other, not calling out what they didnt do in order to claim they did an upper 60k.

Edit 2- Oh BTW my SHO ran a 15 sec 1/4 with a broken SUB FRAME, Broken motor mount, shit wheels and tires and before I ever opened the hood. Nevermind what I paid for it laugh_ti

<small>[ February 23, 2004, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: MyFirstSHO ]</small>

 

[revhardSHO]

MyFirstSHO:
Ok you got me. I didnt replace the shims. I checked the clearances and visually inspected them, and they turned out fine. But I didnt replace them. I didnt know you HAD to replace them to claim "I did a 60K".

But if you must know exactly what I did then here:
NEW Valve cover gaskets
NEW Plug well seals
NEW Intake-to-head gaskets
NEW Spark plugs
NEW Plug wires
Washed my cam covers in gunk tank for an hour each
Gapped NEW plugs correctly
Checked shim clearances
Checked cam lobes for ANY wear
Torqued EVERY single fastener I could fit a torque wrench on.
Lots of anti-seize

I didnt replace the shims because I didnt need to.

So what would YOU call that repair, Diameg?

What ever happened to "If it aint broke, dont fix it?

Now its "If it aint broke, pretend it is. Then fix it."

Cool. thumb

EDIT: OK I think I know where the misunderstanding is-

"Took me 2 hours to take off intake manifold (Yes 2 hours, I cant even believe it!)
Took me 6 hours to change BOTH valve cover gaskets and 6 plug well seals
Took me 4 hours to put intake back on."

I now realize how that looks. When I said that, Took me X hours to do this, That includes EVERYTHING else involved with removing or replacing that part.

SO,

The 6 hours it took to change the gaskets also included cleaning spark plug wells, cleaning cam covers, checking clearences, and reassembling everything. Kinda a package deal. I wanted to keep it short and sweet, not list every little thing I did like, "Took me 1.435 hours to check shims on front head" and shit like that.

AND the whole reason for me wasting my time posting this, is for all the other people that don't even know where the oil in the plug wells comes from, nevermind how to fix it.

To pass on knowledge, to let newer members know Ive done this repair so they can ask me ANYTHING about it. Its all about HELPING each other, not calling out what they didnt do in order to claim they did an upper 60k.

Edit 2- Oh BTW my SHO ran a 15 sec 1/4 with a broken SUB FRAME, Broken motor mount, shit wheels and tires and before I ever opened the hood. Nevermind what I paid for it laugh_ti

no problem. Thats all you had to say thumb
Has the 60K (valve lash) ever been done before on this engine?

 

[Diameg]

MyFirstSHO:
I didnt know you HAD to replace them to claim "I did a 60K".

Once again, you seem to be having problems with simple reading and comprehension. If you read my first post in this thread, I said that "From what you have described, you didn't do an upper 60k on your car.
The main thing of an upper 60K is the actual valve lash adjustment. Perhaps you did it and didn't mention it?

MyFirstSHO:


Now its "If it aint broke, pretend it is. Then fix it."

Well, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent thing to do. Why would you want to do that???

MyFirstSHO:


I now realize how that looks.

And yet you still continue to ramble and whine like an immature baby...

MyFirstSHO:

The 6 hours it took to change the gaskets also included cleaning spark plug wells, cleaning cam covers, checking clearences, and reassembling everything. Kinda a package deal.

First time you've mentioned that in this thread. Could have saved some hassle by mentioning it from the start.

MyFirstSHO:

If you really thought it took me 4 hours to put an intake back ON right after I took it off

Given the lack of reasoning, comprehension, and your slow thought process that you are currently exhibiting, it would not surprise me in the least. Quite honestly though, 10 minutes, 6 hours, a day....I would not be criticizing you no matter how long it took. My original post was not about criticizing, it was about simply clearing up that a 60K wasn't performed if you had only done what you said you did. But again (since I know this has confused you a couple of times here), I first said that 'By what you described...'

MyFirstSHO:

Its all about HELPING each other, not calling out what they didnt do in order to claim they did an upper 60k.

My original post in this thread was an attempt to help. If someone who didn't know much about the engine saw your thread, it could lead them to believe that a 60K was only what you described, not realizing there was a lot more involved.

 

[AutoSHO]

That will be enough.

Anything further posted in this thread that is not of a technical nature will be deleted immediately.

<small>[ February 23, 2004, 10:55 AM: Message edited by: AutoSHO ]</small>

 

[MyFirstSHO]

Yea, so im drivin along yesterday and I decide to make sure my secondarys are working. So I try to open them in 1st, 4K comes around, nothing. Im like wtf, wait maybe I just cant hear it. SO I roll down the windows. 2nd gear, 4k still nothing. So by this time Im freakin out (you know my usual) So I PARK it, leave it running, open hood. I look at rear bank secondary actuater and its stuck in the up position or closed while idleing, I shut it off the actuater didnt move, still stayed closed. I didnt even look at the radiator side i was such in a tizzy. SO I check out the vacuum lines and sure enough the rear secondary actuater vacuum line (the one that comes off that TEE) was pinched in between a runner and the rear valve cover. A little muscle and she sings once again.

Yea im a little slow someone slap me. Thats what I get for dropping the intake myself....

<small>[ February 24, 2004, 06:37 AM: Message edited by: MyFirstSHO ]</small>

 

[yamahaSHO]

You know, they won't open immediately after you shut the car off...

 

[MyFirstSHO]

Really??? Well its pretty quick because before, when I first got the car, they would be closed while running, then when I shut it off, by the time I get back under the hood (ummm like 3.5 seconds) they are open. (yea i work on my cars Alone)

Trust me, they were NOT opening while the motor was running. They were not opening while the motor was off either, like they are suppost to.