Tune at 90k?

[shotime7411]

Hey guys just wondering what the general opinion was on getting a mild tune for my 2014 SHO non PP. Bought the car with 75k....Car now has 92k, runs and drives great, no issues.
Question is would you tune and if so who would be best to go with ( gearhead, ortiz, Livernois? ) and also what tuner would be best to use?

Thanks in advance!

 

[76FoMoCo]

13 I bought new, my wife drove it 40k all stock. I went full FBO over a bit of time and have 500 WHP since 60k I now have a 100k on the car. Knock on wood she has been a great ride. IMO depending on fuel I would go live wire TS and an AJP 93 tune with plugs and a 3 bar map. no stat needed unless your plan to run her hard at the track or in Mexico. This will be your absolute best bang for the buck. Avoid LMS at all cost. GH is a great option but does have some hit and miss with false knock depending on your car. you will wish you did it sooner btw. if you have E85 available even better for an E30 tune.

 

[SHOdded]

i would only put a tune on it once maintenance is brought up to date. a mild tune should be fine.

there are many things that can go amiss with these powertrains so be sure to check out the turbos, turbo piping, and water pump weepholes.

if there are any rattles on startup, best to not make changes to the vehicle. these rattles eventually lead to a timing/water pump job. but if you have already budgeted for this job, and are ok with tuning it anyway, do the maintenance and then, full speed ahead

 

[SM105K]

i would only put a tune on it once maintenance is brought up to date. a mild tune should be fine.

there are many things that can go amiss with these powertrains so be sure to check out the turbos, turbo piping, and water pump weepholes.

if there are any rattles on startup, best to not make changes to the vehicle. these rattles eventually lead to a timing/water pump job. but if you have already budgeted for this job, and are ok with tuning it anyway, do the maintenance and then, full speed ahead

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Lurch.sho]

i would only put a tune on it once maintenance is brought up to date. a mild tune should be fine.

there are many things that can go amiss with these powertrains so be sure to check out the turbos, turbo piping, and water pump weepholes.

if there are any rattles on startup, best to not make changes to the vehicle. these rattles eventually lead to a timing/water pump job. but if you have already budgeted for this job, and are ok with tuning it anyway, do the maintenance and then, full speed ahead

In a similar situation here, planning on tuning soon and have almost 70k miles. I've been planning on getting all the matinence up to date/learning how to do it all myself, what all would you recommend me doing before tuning? So far I plan on getting all my fluids changed on a regular schedule I can do myself Oil, PTU, RDU, etc. (shout out @SM105K for his ownership thread), fixing any current problems I might not know about, doing a compression test/any other tests/inspections I should get done to make sure the engines in good health, changing all the belts/chains on the engine, and getting a new water pump, is there anything else I'm missing? I'm aiming to tune it this summer or next summer while I beef up the turbo piping and all the rubber flex tubing in the engine (I'm planning on going with a full hot pipe hit and intake from EPP). I'm a firm believer in the saying "do it right do it once" and id rather build this engine than have to rebuild it!

 

[shotime7411]

13 I bought new, my wife drove it 40k all stock. I went full FBO over a bit of time and have 500 WHP since 60k I now have a 100k on the car. Knock on wood she has been a great ride. IMO depending on fuel I would go live wire TS and an AJP 93 tune with plugs and a 3 bar map. no stat needed unless your plan to run her hard at the track or in Mexico. This will be your absolute best bang for the buck. Avoid LMS at all cost. GH is a great option but does have some hit and miss with false knock depending on your car. you will wish you did it sooner btw. if you have E85 available even better for an E30 tune.

Thanks for the help! The car is in great shape, had service history that came with it. I've done the PTU and rear diff fluid. Turbos look good, no leaks or anything suspect.
Would you suggest doing the coil packs when doing the plugs too? Seeing as the car will hit 100k soon....
Thanks

 

[76FoMoCo]

Thanks for the help! The car is in great shape, had service history that came with it. I've done the PTU and rear diff fluid. Turbos look good, no leaks or anything suspect.
Would you suggest doing the coil packs when doing the plugs too? Seeing as the car will hit 100k soon....
Thanks

at that milage not a bad idea. You most likely need the boots for a fair amount of them as they will stick to the plugs and tear upon removal. I found if you turn the coil pack as you pull up tends to keep them from ripping. When installing the new ones i put a little dielectric grease on the ceramic to help with removal down the line.

 

[SeanDev]

They are all correct, new fluids all the way around, new O2S, plugs set at gap recommend by tuner, "coils don't go cheap on those, a OEM or Delphi will work, I went with MSD but unfortunately was one of the rare users who had a failure and took out my PCM", I now have Delphi coils I'm my SHO, or just replace boots, like my F150 Ecoboost, those boots are pretty much done before 100,000 miles. clean throttle body, all map sensors, and MAF/MAP just after filter, and most important, stay away from livercrap at all costs.

 

[yaycandy]

They are all correct, new fluids all the way around, new O2S, plugs set at gap recommend by tuner, "coils don't go cheap on those, a OEM or Delphi will work, I went with MSD but unfortunately was one of the rare users who had a failure and took out my PCM", I now have Delphi coils I'm my SHO, or just replace boots, like my F150 Ecoboost, those boots are pretty much done before 100,000 miles. clean throttle body, all map sensors, and MAF/MAP just after filter, and most important, stay away from livercrap at all costs.

Jeez. Now im thinking of taking the msd coils off. Ive heard from someone before that it took out their pcm on an f150. Not sure how it would though. Unless it gets wet and earths itself out man. Anything is possible. I dont think i gained anything with msd coils. Sounds like my sho has some misses at startup but no codes ever. Maybe ill switch out the coils to see if there is a change

 

[SeanDev]

Jeez. Now im thinking of taking the msd coils off. Ive heard from someone before that it took out their pcm on an f150. Not sure how it would though. Unless it gets wet and earths itself out man. Anything is possible. I dont think i gained anything with msd coils. Sounds like my sho has some misses at startup but no codes ever. Maybe ill switch out the coils to see if there is a change

Yes that was an upsetting experience. It's actually happened twice to me, first I was an idiot and got cheap coils on my interceptor to get her in the road, bam PCM wiped out, now this with my SHO on MSD. From what dealer has told me and used MSD as example, defect in coil, where a malfunction occurs and instead of closing loop, sends the power back to the PCM. I've posted this video before, I also have taken his advice on anything to heart. Even did the oil pump upgrade on my F150 Ecoboost that he recommended.

 

[SM105K]

Jeez. Now im thinking of taking the msd coils off. Ive heard from someone before that it took out their pcm on an f150. Not sure how it would though. Unless it gets wet and earths itself out man. Anything is possible. I dont think i gained anything with msd coils. Sounds like my sho has some misses at startup but no codes ever. Maybe ill switch out the coils to see if there is a change

We have numerous people on here from the group buy. It seems only SeanDev was the only person to have a failure.

 

[Ta2dResqr]

My MSD were in my white SHO for a year, that car was in a head on collision that cracked the transmission open and totaled the car. I pulled them out at the junkyard after the car sat for a few months while fighting insurance. I installed them in my red SHO and 16 months later they are still going strong. They probably have almost 90k on them now. I have 45k on them since they went in the red SHO.

 

[SeanDev]

We have numerous people on here from the group buy. It seems only SeanDev was the only person to have a failure.

Why I stated it was rare. Your response backed up my comment. Things work or they don't. Any part we buy has a risk of premature failure. If they work for the vast majority that's great, and to each there own, and if there is even a small percentage that it hasn't worked for, they should be allowed to comment without being called out.

 

[Zpak]

I wouldn’t say that was a call out. And believe me, I 100% would go out of my way to bash them if I went through what you did. I don’t think anyone here has a problem with you expressing your opinion. We’re not a cult here. The more information and opinions are out there the better informed future readers will be.

We all knew at the time of the group buy the MSD’s kinda had a bad reputation. Which, is exactly why Easton put up the thread checking in on their performance over time. We were a large test case. Most have had zero issues, but there were in fact failures. However, were there more than any mechanical parts average? I just don’t see it.

 

[SM105K]

Why I stated it was rare. Your response backed up my comment. Things work or they don't. Any part we buy has a risk of premature failure. If they work for the vast majority that's great, and to each there own, and if there is even a small percentage that it hasn't worked for, they should be allowed to comment without being called out.

It wasn't an attack. It was just another data point that can be used. Numerous people have posted that video from Ford Tech. He makes it seem that they are failing at a catastrophic rate. ****, I even referred to that video at least once when people asked about them here in the past. However, with the control group here and two failures out of the numerous members here that run them, I like those numbers.

I do however have my stock coils in the trunk.....just in case.

 

[JHV]

Hey guys just wondering what the general opinion was on getting a mild tune for my 2014 SHO non PP. Bought the car with 75k....Car now has 92k, runs and drives great, no issues.
Question is would you tune and if so who would be best to go with ( gearhead, ortiz, Livernois? ) and also what tuner would be best to use?

Thanks in advance!

The GearHead tune is the way to go for a daily driver. I have used them on three Ecoboost cars and all have been great!

 

[yaycandy]

Msd coils ive had on have been good. No issues or codes. Installed 12-2019. A month after installing a new engine so probably 40k miles on them already. I have a couple factory coils in the trunk just incase. Heat and deep freeze are the biggest issues with coils. Easton’s are working fine in the desert and mine have been fine in the brutal north east winters. Maths out to them being fine and statistically great on the sho community of those who spoke for or against.

 

[ridered74]

The guy that bought my car messaged me to say that one of the coils failed. So I guess that brings the total up to 2.

 

[yaycandy]

The guy that bought my car messaged me to say that one of the coils failed. So I guess that brings the total up to 2.

Operator error

 

[76FoMoCo]

Operator error

LOL just order a replacement coil. problem solved.