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After your first run and talking to the experienced folks her in the SHO community you'll find out smoth is fast not fast is fast! Please chime in afterwards & let us know if you are smitted.

Also, I have learned that in some places, you can gain the penalty back for mowing over a cone......I shaved 3 seconds off a time for a net of a second gained, and it was enough to win H-stock in an autotragic focus.....

I had thought those were the planned mods:nut:, but by the looks of it, SM will be it, idk what these other guys have done to go C-prepared, but idk.....

I think the brakes is what mainly put you into SM.....as the engine swap could be in a street prepared class....

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(your link doesn't work)

what class do you run?
I don't think i'll be coming back south of the border for quite a while... i'm looking at shipping off to regina (hopefully) within 3-6 months for the RCMP. I've got my fingers crossed that timing and fortune will let me graduate a few days before the seattle convention, come home for a week or so and drop by the convention before shipping off to my first posting.

Ehh. Click on the pic in my sig where I first posted in this thread.

I run in C Prepared, where basically anything goes except forced induction. Here you will see stripped, lightened, hot-rodded, tricked out, street-illegal American V8/V6 sedans on slicks. CP - otherwise known as the "Nascar" of autocross. LOL!

We are working on an autocross for the '08 Seattle Convention so stay tuned.
 

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Ehh. Click on the pic in my sig where I first posted in this thread.

I run in C Prepared, where basically anything goes except forced induction. Here you will see stripped, lightened, hot-rodded, tricked out, street-illegal American V8/V6 sedans on slicks. CP - otherwise known as the "Nascar" of autocross. LOL!

We are working on an autocross for the '08 Seattle Convention so stay tuned.

hahahahaha, indy regions c-prepared class is dominated by corvairs.....thats right, I said the car unsafe at all speeds.....:laugh_ti: :snicker: :rofl:

I want to get a gen 1 and run it CP there, but I am torn between that and an X-prepared yamaha powered bmw hatchback....buwahahahahaha :nut:

Andrew
 
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Tell us more about your fun. And if you had fun at AutoX, we will need to get you on the crack pipe of road course.

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haha sorry, I came home and had to eat dinner right away. here's how the day went:
12:30am - Finally got to sleep after a long night at work.

5am - dragged myself out of bed to turn of the first of 5 alarms

5:30am - finally got out of bed and stayed up.

7am - after finally throwing together the last of my things and finally having everything, i took off for the autocross location

7:20am - arrived in the still very nearly pitch-black morning and introduced myself to a couple of the guys who were already there, then started pulling everything from inside the cabin and trunk that might have gone flying around if i'd left it inside. thought to myself,
myself said:
Hm, they sky is still pretty grey, i might want to put these things into the garbage bags i brought along, just in case
into the garbage bags it all went!

7:30am - went over to talk to a guy with a Mazdaspeed3 who i had arranged to get a ride along with for his first few runs, then went to go register and get tech-ed.

7:45am - took part in the novice walk-through lead by a guy with a GT3, who also happened to design and set up the course. He got interupted by a cell phone call, and a younger british guy (looked like a completely unassuming guy, nothing i'd ever have associated with cars if i'd met him on the street) took over. Found out later while in the Speed3 that he was one **** of a driver, able to jump into anyone's car and **** the entire field, first lap around the track. i did a couple more walk-throughs of the course on my own after that, and felt pretty familiar/comfortable with it.

8:30am - Driver's meeting.

8:45am - Jumped into the Speed3 for the first heat. there were 4 heats, with different classes distributed among them so that each heat had similarly classed/timed cars running together. the 3 was stock minus some lighter wheels and nearly-dead Hoosiers. Oh yah, it had started pouring with rain by this time. :doh:

8:50am-ish - 45seconds after we left the start line, we were done the first run of 3. :woohoo: that was fun. :) did that 2 more times, then ran to my car, as i was in the 2nd heat.

9:30am-ish - pulled up to the timing tent, asked if i could get an experienced driver to jump into the car with me. I was super nervous waiting in the staging grid, but once i got up to the tent, i was fine, and i took off for my first run with a young guy sitting shotgun.
it was over before i knew it, didn't hit a single cone, didn't miss any gates, but man, did i slide around on the rain-soaked tarmac. :nut: parked back in the staging grid to wait for my next runs, and the guy went over where/how i could improve my times/driving. thanked him, he left, and i waited for my next run. I did the next two runs on my own, and each felt a lot better than the previous. I think i got it down to a high 43, low 44 second pass on the 3rd run.

9:45am-ish - so its DUMPING down with rain by now, and i've got to do gate duty as part of the work effort. throw on my storm pants and start to really wish i'd brought my Crocs or something a little more comfortable to stand in puddles of water than rain-soaked shoes and socks. 3rd heat goes through and does its thing. GT3 is running slicks because the forcast was for a dry day, and was still not raining until the start of the first heat. quite a few cars spinning out in this heat. even though i was pretty far away, i was able to see some spectacular 360 degree spin finishes. :cool: all of a sudden heat 3 is over and heat 4 is running and no one has come to relieve me. :( So i go over to the timing tent to see whats up and they tell me to just leave it un-manned, it'll be fine. I grab a couple sandwiches from my bag and sit in my car to warm up a bit.

1:10pm - finish my sandwiches, recline the seat back and promptly fall asleep.

2:10pm - wake up, see that there are cars from my heat running, so i run over to some of the club exec and check to see if its ok if i jump into the line-up. find out the afternoon runs have been cancelled due to the weather (a lot of people took off right after their runs in the AM anyway), so they were just doing a bunch of fun runs. at this point, i've run through a solid 1" deep pool on the top of the tarmac, but i'd long stopped caring, cause my socks and shoes were already soaked. run back to the car and bring it over to the staging grid and line up. i get one run in before this group is done and finally hear a time. 43.8xx seconds. still sliding around quite a bit. the others in my class were running mid-42s on average, so i think once i get a better feel of my car, i'll be able to run fairly competitively.

2:30pm - standing at one of the cone runner stations for the final heat group. by this time, the timing system has long been taken out of commission due to people sliding into it and we're timing with stopwatches. get to watch a bunch of subarus, miatas and a couple of porsches and some other cars run. the GT3 spins out HUGE multiple times on his runs. a early 90s miata is more or less drifting around the big sweeper, but in perfect control and maintaining good speed, coming in a full second faster or more than some other miatas.

3:15pm - all runs are finally over, multiple SHREDDED cones, we clean up the tarmac and head our seperate ways. :salute:


Summary notes:
what a BLAST!! surprised how stable the SHO was, and loved the fact that i had a quaife (helped a TON in the sweeper sections), and the 3.2L. I will definately be attending the next one, and the next one, as many as i can until i leave.
i need to invest in a Rubbermaid container.
it was great to be among a bunch of automotive enthusiasts, no matter what car they were driving, and surprised to find out a bunch of them knew about the SHO vs a regular taurus. there was a guy who's car/stuff was next to me in the pits who used to drive a topaz, and know of Olympic and his SHOpaz from the topaz forums.
coolest car there? an old aston martin roadster. didn't get any photos of it because of the rain. next time i'll bring my point-and-shoot camera as well in case of ****** weather again.

Anyone got any ideas for el-cheapo home-made camera mounts? i want to put my point-and-shoot in there on movie mode to record my runs.
 

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Glad you had fun Alex. Hope your legs were rested the night before from bleeding the brakes :naughty:
 

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update on times

well, the results have been posted now. i guess that 43.xx time i heard was the run before me. :nut: (although i think it was cause it was during the fun runs, with no official timing :frown: ) my best official time was 45.552 with an indexed time of 38.993. my indexed time is 4 seconds behind the fastest car in SM which is a 91 BMW 325 running Hoosiers. I was watching him run during the fun runs, and he ran very smooth passes and didn't slide around like i was. i need to learn to drive like that. haha

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I came 89th out of 99 drivers total. :cool:
 
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this is a rough drawing (really rough, and not proportionate at all) of the course layout. offset start to "equalize" the rwd/fwd/awd vehicles into a slalom, into a regular sweeper, around the cone into an irregular sweeper (cones were litterally in a "V" formation, had to pick our own line), back around the regular sweeper, around the cone again into offset gates and across the finish line. what i DO know is that the diameter of the sweeper section was 120'.

Auto x
 

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Wow, that's probably the most basic course I've seen.

Glad you had fun. That's what its all about it.
 
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i think the idea behind it was a simpler course set-up, as it was the first of the winter series with a lot (about 40%) of newbies. they're going to get progressivly harder. also, the Slush Series, as its called, is meant to be a more fun racing environment.
quote from the course designer about why he set it up the way he did:
I designed today's course with feedback from the other execs and I felt a good start to the series would be to build it from the Autox 101 course we used in Sept. There are a few points I'll mention now so you can see what we were trying to do with it.

- I kept a similar start (slalom) and end (offset gates) as we had for the school.

- Unlike the school, I wanted to have a looping section in the middle to get you guys used to the concept of a loop. Even though we're grateful for the size of lot we have, we still need to incorporate some kind of loop in order to get a decent course length.

- For this looping bit, since it's a new concept for many of you, I wanted to keep it simple, yet not boring. So the oval was different from side to side. Entering the oval on the first time up the course you had to deal with a pinch point after the slalom but on the second time through that part it was mostly a straight run to the end sweeper.

- For the two sweepers in the oval, I made them be different and this was very intentional. The top sweeper (Basic Sweeper) was a constant 60' radius turn (120' diameter circle). The lower sweeper (Strange Sweeper) was a strange angular looking turn. I'm hoping that as you drove the course that the turn felt "right" to you if you drove it in a similar manner as the Basic Sweeper. The point you should take away from this is that an experienced driver will look at the course and see what makes sense when it comes to how you drive it. Don't just blindly drive beside the cones, but rather look at the key cones on the course and find a nice flowing line to drive.

- I like the concept of an open course where you have many line choices available to you. Whether you drive a tiny Miata or a giant Pontiac Parisienne, I'd like you to feel you have a decent line to drive. FYI, I checked out this course after setting it up on Saturday with my Toyota Tacoma pickup truck and it felt great! I think that'll be my new test vehicle.

- We'll be rotating the course design duties around a bit but we'll be trying to stick to a few key points. Easy to navigate with open line choices so you have lots of fun. However, we reserve the right to make them a little more difficult as the series goes on. So be prepared to have a blast while learning a lot!

Cheers,
Allan
 

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and yes, i had a blast. not particularly happy with my gearing though. i wasn't in the upper revs nearly as much as i know i should have been. i probably could have kept it in first for the whole course except the last part of the sweeper into the offset gates. the 3.2 was very nice for the extra torque it gives, and the quiafe was almost a necesity (sp?) for autox. couldn't imagine doing it without it.

Looks like someone caught the bug!

You think that was fun, wait til you try it on dry ground. :biggrin:

i'm thinking that i'll have caught the bug TOO much when i try it on dry gound, when i want sticky tires/wider wheels... this is supposed to be a cheap thrills on the weekend kinda thing before i leave. :oops: if i got wheels/tires for autox, i'd have nowhere to store them both now, and while i was gone.
...wanna lend me your wheels/tires for the winter? :naughty:
 
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if i got wheels/tires for autox, i'd have nowhere to store them both now, and while i was gone.
...wanna lend me your wheels/tires for the winter? :naughty:

heh, heh. . . I'm afraid the tires I have don't work too well in winter or wet weather. Might be a different story if it were summer right now. You gonna be back in BC by the summer?
 

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i figure i'll be in vancouver for another couple of months. probably leave january or february and be back 6 months after that. not sure how long i'd be back for. probably a week at most? ...this is, of course, assuming i get all the way through the application process and complete the training Depot. :nut:
for the most part though, we've had a relatively dry pre-winter. sunday was the only day of rain in over a week, and its been nice since.
 
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