Subwoofer Upgrade, DONE! <UPDATED>

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LotusDriver

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I finally got around to completing the upgrade to the factory sound system by getting rid of the factory 6X9 "subs". My goal was to add a bit of bottom end without comprimising trunk space what-so-ever. I also wanted to do this in such a way that if I wanted to, I could easily return this all back to stock. Needless to say this was a challenge, but it all worked.

First I removed, the rear seat bottom, side bosters, all trim on sides and up to drivers front kick panel, all trunk linings, and the rear deck cover panel.
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I purchase two Kenwood KFC-XW800F speakers. I bought these mainly because they are shallow, and should still fit with the trunk top cover in place. I already had a Rockford Fosgate P4004 amp, and PAC line output converter that also provides amp turn on power output.

I did not want to cut the rear deck shelf to fit the 8" speakers. I have the sunshade back there, which would have made things very difficult. My plan is to build my own adapters to mount the 8" subs to the 6X9 holes while still getting a good seal from the front of the woofer to the back. In doing a lot of online research I learn that 8" subs while fire throw the 6X9 opening very nicely as long as the speaker can extend fully without bottoming out on the opening. Using 5/8 inch partical board, I cut out a square to fit, and then cut out the 6X9 opening.
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I cut two more boards and then cut the 8" opening from those. I glued the two boards together so I had 6X9 opening on top, and 8" round opening on bottom. A good size bead of silicone sealed the 6X9 board to the bottom of the deck. Subs were then installed from bottom up onto the new 8" opening.
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I cut an additional board to sit between the subs on the bottom of the deck. This is what I used to mount the amp to. The amp was mounted AFTER i replaced the top trunk shelf cover that covers the subs. This is not a great picture, but this is with the trunk pieces all back together and the amp hanging nicely in the center.
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I installed my Line Output Converter to the rear speaker outputs on the amplifier. I did NOT use the subwoofer outputs because I wanted complete control of frequency ranges. Had I used the sub output, I would be limited to the frequency range of the factory subs. Here is LOC installed.
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I ran 8 gauge power feed directly through firewall and to a **** fuse holder at the battery. 8 gauge ground wire was connected to a factory ground stud at the rear of the vehicle behind the driver side rear seat. I sealed a bunch of the deck openings with a metal/foam tape I bought at home depot. This was to seperate rear air from front air as best as I could. You will notice some of the tape in the photos.

Everything is hooked up and works properly. Opening the trunk now looks virtually the same as before with the exception of the amp, which takes up no trunk space. The sound is leaps and bounds above where it was with the 6X9s. I can now FEEL bass! I still have some work to do dialing in the amp gains with a DMM, and setting the frequency levels, but right off the bat I am very pleased with the outcome!

Let me know if you have any questions or comments.
 
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Nice work. :thumb: I have always like the car audio upgrades and have done a couple of installs. I think I may try something like this in my gen 2 SHO.
 

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That ought to help out the bass a little...:laugh_ti:

Install looks super clean, I'm a fan.
 

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I just ordered an Audiocontrol LC-2i to replace my PAC line output converter. The Audiocontrol device will compensate for the bass roll-off that our cars have when the volumn is increased. Since I am tapped into the rear speakers, as I raise the volumn level, the low frequency signal is dropping out. It still sounds great, but I know this will help it a lot more.
 

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Hmm, possibilities...I think the factory bass is sufficient to keep me happy for a while...but I have an 800w amp and an Alpine Type-R 12" just sitting around collecting dust...
 

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Nice job on the install. How would the bass compare to a single 10" or a 12" sub in a normal box?
 

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It's hard to say until the new Audiocontrol LC-2i arrives which should be here tomorrow. I can say this... For now, I have the amp disconnected. I drove around all day yesterday with no rear subs at all, as I am waiting to install the new part. I hear no difference between the system with the 6x9's and the system without them. None!
 

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I recieved the Audiocontrol LC-2i and installed it today. While I had everything apart I also took the time to Dynomat the trunk area. Mainly the side walls and latch wall that is between the two taillights. I also did the bottom of the deck. I also applied d-mat to the trunk lid itself, as it rattles like crazy. I tuned the amp gain using my DMM to 28.3 volts. I'm using two 8" subs at 4 ohms, and 400 watts.

It thumps! And best of all it looks factory! The Audiocontrol LC-2i maintains low frequency levels at high volumn, so you don't get any bottom end dropping out from subs. You still get it from the other speakers, but it is not nearly as noticable as it was without. I would suggest this part to anyone installing an amp and subs to the factory system.
 

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Does the LC-2i have a signal generator built in or did you feed a sine signal in to the amp to set the 28.3 Vrms of the amp output?

I was going to ask how you came up with that until I did the math and, assuming an ideal 4 ohm load, that comes out to right at 400 Watts peak. I've never thought to set the gain that way, I typically do it by what I think sounds good at the peak volume I plan to listen at. Once in a great while I'd get out to sig gen and scope and crank it to 3/4 volume and turn down the gain until the clipping goes away. I never thought to back in to the setting using math though.

-Rod
 

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Setting it using the mathematical formula is always going to be the perfect setting. I downloaded a 50Hz test tone from iTunes and put it into my iPod where I then played it in the car. Turn bass and treble settings all the way down and disconnect the speaker leads from amp. With gain settings on amp all the way down take your DMM and measure the AC voltage at the speaker outputs. You turn the gain setting up until you have the correct voltage for your system. In my case 28.3 volts. Now you can play around with frequency's, bass boost, bass and treble settings on the deck until you really dial it in. My gain dial on the Fosgate amp was so incredibly sensitive it was hard to get to that exact point, so I wet just slightly under. It's better to be under than over. Now the amp runs at its most efficient setting.

Many people use the amp gain settings as volume control. This is a very wrong way to make an adjustment. It needs to be dialed in correctly, then use the other controls for volume.

The LC-2i is the PERFECT line output converter for our cars. Because of the low signal drop out that is built into our factory audio systems, a standard LOC just will not work properly and make the system sound horrible. At maximum volume on the head unit, I now have strong, deep, LOUD bass! It was a lot of work, but I am very happy with the outcome.
 

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Setting it using the mathematical formula is always going to be the perfect setting.

Certainly better than most people do, but not "perfect" since the speaker will probably never be a "perfect" 4 ohm load and will change slightly over frequency, but I'm just being nit picky. :nut:

-Rod
 
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Certainly better than most people do, but not "perfect" since the speaker will probably never be a "perfect" 4 ohm load and will change slightly over frequency, but I'm just being nit picky. :nut:

-Rod

Absolutely, but still better than listening!
 

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If you adjust the bass from the radio, does it have any affect on your subs at all? I am sending this to my car audio guy to get me a quote to have it done.
 

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Sure the bass from the radio is going to boost the bass at the subwoofers as well as the rest of the system.

As far as the amp goes, because of the dept of the boards I used to mount the subwoofers, I also bolted 3/4" x 4" wide by 12" long strips of wood in place running front to back to mount the amplifier to. You can't see it because it is under the cover but its there. Had I not done that, the soft cover would never have fit properly.
 

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Lotusdriver, I am looking at doing something similar for my 2012 SHO and have a couple questions on your choice of the Kenwood KFC-XW800F:

I looked at the Kenwood specs on this driver and they note it is for use in a small sealed enclosure and recommend a volume of 0.5 cu ft. Obviously, the choices are going to be limited with the very limited space available in the trunk liner woofer bump outs--did you look for or consider shallow drivers made for infinite baffle use? Is it possible that the bump outs are acting as a small ported enclosure given the holes in the bottom? You did not cover those holes by any chance to try to create a small sealed enclosure?
 

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I chose those speakers simply because of the shallow overall profile. I wanted to put the trunk liner back in place and these made it work. I did not cut holes in the bottom no, now did I cover holes. I did seal up some holes in the rear deck just to better seperate top air from bottom air. This set up is not as "boomy" as it would be if I used smaller sealed enclosures. The overall look and finish was of a higher priority. I wanted more, but I wanted it to look factory.
 

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I chose those speakers simply because of the shallow overall profile. I wanted to put the trunk liner back in place and these made it work. I did not cut holes in the bottom no, now did I cover holes. I did seal up some holes in the rear deck just to better seperate top air from bottom air. This set up is not as "boomy" as it would be if I used smaller sealed enclosures. The overall look and finish was of a higher priority. I wanted more, but I wanted it to look factory.

FWIW, I modeled every shallow 8" that could be found and this Kenwood was quite good for IB. The only thing that looked better on paper was the Rockford Fosgate P3SD4-8, but I am not sure it will work as well due to the mounting scheme. Both drivers rolled-off at about the same slope, but the P3SD4-8 started about 7hz lower. The other advantage of the Rockford Fosgate was the Xmax--8.4mm vs 6.5mm for the Kenwood--will move about 30% more air. There are a lot of better choices in deeper drivers, but that won't meet the criteria of fitting in the existing space without modification.

Not being critical at all of the driver selection--I may use the exact same thing if going dual 8's and the Rockford Fosgate P3SD4-8 has mounting issues. (Since my system has no 6 by 9 woofers that are being replaced, the grill mounting style and scheme are relevant too--you guys with Sony rigs already have a grill opening existing--I have to allow for adding a grill)
 

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Back from the bottom - a quick question for the OP...

How much room would you say there was between the bottom of the magnet of the subs and the trunk lining. I'm looking into doing the same type of set-up with a sub that has more depth...just wondering how much room is available.
 

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