Spent a little more time with a 2010 today, and I'm confused...

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Finally got a press car at WR--red with the track pack--and finally had a chance to push the car pretty hard. Here are my top 10 observations:

First observation: The engine note in this car is MUCH louder inside than the prototype I took to Kalamazoo. It's still a very quiet car mind you, but this car had plenty of intake growl, and even a bit of turbo whistle under light-moderate acceleration. Either Ford's been paying attention to the criticism, or this press car is a ringer. More on that to come.

Second observation: I can nearly make myself sick from multiple 0-80-0 runs.

Third observation: Experienced no brake fade, but even after two successive hard stops from 80 the brakes were HOT and they stayed HOT for a good while. Mind you, they aren't nearly as bad as stock gen II brakes, but I can definitely see where this car needs something better.

Fourth observation: C-pillar blind spot almost makes having the BSM a necessity, which you can't have with the track pack.

Fifth observation: This car will corner much harder than you expect it to, and remain quite composed doing it... at least with the track pack. I had a couple "oh shit what am I doing" moments today, only to wind up in mid-corner saying "oh shit, I could've taken that 10mph faster."

Sixth observation: The paddle shifters during aggressive driving--and the ability to hold a gear regardless of RPM--make this car much more entertaining than just letting the box do the work, but it's still not as engaging as a manual trans. Unfortunately, I'm now starting to dislike the ridiculously-small "thumb" downshift control. If you're on a straight, it's fine, but make sure you select your gear before going into a turn. I'll give the engineers credit though... when you do choose a gear--be it up or down--it shifts ******* QUICK with no lag.

Seventh observation: This car feels quite a bit quicker than the prototype in Kalamazoo. Feels a bit stiffer and a bit louder overall too, including road and wind noise.

Eighth observation: Seats could stand to have more side support. I didn't really mind them, but Michelle HATES them. The headrests suck too.

Ninth observation: Either the speedo was off, or speed is VERY hard to gauge, because 90 felt like 70. Even Michelle commented that it felt slower than what was being indicated.

Tenth observation: I still think this is a great car, but within a 1/2 hour of parking it I was behind the wheel of my 93 ATX, and yeah, I could definitely sense the size and weight difference. I stand behind my statements that the new SHO will drop your jaw when you see how well it goes--and especially turns--given its size, but when you go from a 2010 SHO to a 1993 SHO you immediately feel the size difference. And even though a stock 1993 SHO couldn't hold a candle to what this new SHO does, the 93 never the less just feels more willing and eager. According to Michelle... the 2010 just doesn't feel as fun.

Overall: Now I'm going to drive an actual production SHO from a dealer, see how it compares. Manufacturers delivering "ringer" cars to press fleets isn't unheard of, and it just seemed like this SHO had quite a bit more oomph than the prototype I took to K-zoo and the media car I drove at the proving grounds last month, all of which had the track pack. This thing set me BACK, and it even had a slight tug of torque steer through the first couple gears. As for noise, whether Ford did something to generate more intake growl, or removed some sound dampening, or whether this is just a beat-up press car, I don't know, but the engine noise in this car is now right about where I'd like it. Of course, there's also a bit of extra wind noise as well, but it's still a very quiet cabin. Plus, this particular SHO still had the emissions-exempt sticker underhood, telling me it's not a straight production model.

Anyway... some more food for thought. I'll report back after I've driven a bona-fide production car.
 

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Also nabbed a few more 93-10 comparison shots, only this time it's with an actual 2010 SHO and my camera doesn't have a wide angle lens :)

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Yup... it's big.
 

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thanks for the read

damn that car is big! bigger then I expected next to an older SHO

the 2nd and 3rd shots really show the difference in heigth
 

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Its the extra height that surprised me. The new one is very tall.

I like the comparison shots using the same colour cars. That helps take out a factor that is otherwise hard to compensate for mentally.

Thanks! :)

Still waiting to be called by the local Ford dealership here on Vancouver Island to do a test drive.

pax, smn
 

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Ford has forgone ANY headrest comfort for the lawyers who mandate whiplash protection trump all...


It's OK, I can sleep in my Town Car perfectly upright...while parked you knuckleheads...
 

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Yeah, looking at them from the front isn't too bad. It's the back that's just freakin' insane. Consider too that the 2010 is sitting on 20s while my 93 is on stock slicers. That's a 4 inch difference right there. My local dealership has an SEL on 18s and it doesn't look quite as imposing IMO. Butt is still huge though.

And in retrospect, I should've got some shots of the brand new M3 sitting next to my car :dribble:
 
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That is just crazy, great review btw...But man it looks more and more like a newer Camry every time I see it...esp on the back of semi trucks.
 

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pretty much any new car has the really uncomfortable headrests.....i dont know if that's volvo or someone else to thank for that, but I do know that Volvo has been making headrests like that for some time now.


I'm not too surprised on the ride height, I remember parking next to a Five Hundred when they first came out and having my eyes right about level with the window line on them. Was pretty shocked by that!
 

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Not to go too far off of topic, but I am:

IMO I prefer the forward headrests that all new Fords are coming out with. I have upper back/neck issues and being able to rest my head straight up relieves a lot of tension and fatigue I get on long trips.

Some of my neck problems are also related to whiplash when I got rear ended in my last Crown Vic, which had small headrests that were away from the head, and if I had had the newer forward headrests, I believe I wouldn't have that much neck problems at all. And that's why they are like that now, new standards for whiplash protection. It's also one of the top costs, if not the top, under insurance claims because of the consequent chiropratic care and x-rays needed.

Whether you like them or not, they are here to stay. Even the 2010 Ranger's seat needed to be redesigned to meet the new standards and that thing hasn't changed in over a decade lol.
 
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Nice little write up.

They should have just called that car the Crown Vic and been done with it. It would have fit RIGHT into the market for that nameplate...which had a fairly strong following.

Now, people who want a crown vic will still see and perhaps buy a Taurus, but still...It costs them (ford) time, money, and customers to move a car from a midsized platform to a large car platform.
 

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Whether you like them or not, they are here to stay. Even the 2010 Ranger's seat needed to be redesigned to meet the new standards and that thing hasn't changed in over a decade lol.

Yeah, but that's still no excuse for a lack of adjustability aside from a couple clicks up or down. Sure, make it better to help prevent whiplash, but if you can't get comfortable behind the wheel then people aren't going to buy the car. I've driven a crapload of 09 and 10 model year cars that didn't have headrests this ****** or uncomfortable, so it's not just "the standard." Not sure why I didn't notice it before, unless it's yet another quirk of this particular car. And to be fair, it affected Michelle much more than me. Being shorter, there wasn't any position she could find where the headrest didn't either shove her head uncomfortably forward or force her to lean forward away from the seat.
 

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Yeah, but that's still no excuse for a lack of adjustability aside from a couple clicks up or down. I've driven a crapload of 09 and 10 model year cars that didn't have headrests this ****** or uncomfortable, so it's not just "the standard."
From what I'm told, the headrests are designed to meet the forthcoming (not 2010/current) Federal regulations, so they may not be able to offer more adjustability.
 
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The speedometer in my 06 GTI was 4mph high. Indicated 80 was actually 76.5. A few Passat rentals (new style) were also the same, if not MORE inaccurate. So its completely possible something similar is up with the SHO.

As for the noises......quite a few cars are coming with "noise pipes" now. It pipes intake noise into the cabin via long pipes. This could have been added, or the car could just have "broken in". I know all of our Audi's and VW's usually get substantially louder and faster from new to about 10k miles.

Just a few points to consider.
 

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The speedometer in my 06 GTI was 4mph high. Indicated 80 was actually 76.5. A few Passat rentals (new style) were also the same, if not MORE inaccurate. So its completely possible something similar is up with the SHO.

As for the noises......quite a few cars are coming with "noise pipes" now. It pipes intake noise into the cabin via long pipes. This could have been added, or the car could just have "broken in". I know all of our Audi's and VW's usually get substantially louder and faster from new to about 10k miles.

Just a few points to consider.

I've heard that it's a pretty common theme in German cars that their speedos over indicate speed to help reduce speeding tickets. I've heard this especially about BMW's...:shrug:

I like the noise pipe on the Mustang as well and wish it was on the new SHO. That's interesting about the new Audi's and VW's getting faster and louder as they break in. I've never heard that before. Maybe it's a charactersitic of turbocharged, direct injected engines, as VW/Audi have some too?
 
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Are the headrest "active", as in do they move forward in rear end crash?
 

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What i noticed driving in my friend's 2010 last weekend is that even though it is a much bigger car, it still FEELS claustrophobic inside because the side windows are so much smaller on the new car.
He has the backup camera, and you're right - you almost need it.
 

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i'll chime in my thoughts, though i was never able to get behind the wheel of a moving pre-production car: when trying to think of a term to describe getting belligerent with the gas pedal, the phrase "***** ape" is the first thing to come to mind. this thing, for it's size and displacement, is QUICK. at any speed, drop the pedal and wait a moment for the horizon to come to you. regarding the interior, the seats are quite marvelous on my well calibrated butt, the steering wheel was a pleasure to squeeze, and aside from too many damn buttons, the center stack is very nicely laid out, with everything in perfect reach of the driver without having to avert your gaze from the road too long to find anything. now the bad...i have to agree on the headrests. they're very imposing on those of us who don't usually even notice they're there. that'll be something i remedy when i purchase mine, by removing them or figuring out a way to reposition them. my only other gripe was placement of the multi-function switch. whichever engineer designed that placement must've been a proctologist in a former profession, as you need inhumanly long fingers to reach it comfortably with your hands in the right position.
 

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I've heard that it's a pretty common theme in German cars that their speedos over indicate speed to help reduce speeding tickets. I've heard this especially about BMW's...:shrug:

I like the noise pipe on the Mustang as well and wish it was on the new SHO. That's interesting about the new Audi's and VW's getting faster and louder as they break in. I've never heard that before. Maybe it's a charactersitic of turbocharged, direct injected engines, as VW/Audi have some too?

My dad and I have had 3 Audi's and 4 VW's in the last 10 years.
01 S4
05 S4
06 A4
06 GTI
08 Rabbit
08 GTI (current)
09 GTI (current)
The only one where the speedo was OBVIOUSLY off was the 06 GTI. All the others were within reason. VW fixed the speedo error for late 07's+. Our current cars are fine. However the loaner Passats were 08's and their speedo was WAY off, so I am not sure what type of correlation or reasoning they are using when calibrating the speedos.

As for the engines breaking in.........Every one of them has slowly become quicker until around 10k where it seems to be 100%. Also, the exhaust systems seem to slowly get louder and more aggressive. My GTI has 7k miles on it and is considerably louder than when new. This is present in a range of vehicles, not just turbo cars. The performance increase is more prevalent in their naturally aspirated cars actually. This obviously isn't an exact science, but it is supported by many peoples opinions on Audiworld and VWvortex.
 

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Ford reps have told us several times that the headrests in the prototypes will not be what is in the final product. They would not be quite so far forward.

But at the job 1 intro, I forgot to check to see if the ones coming down the line were any different. Anyone at the Job 1 intro or seeing them on dealer lots now, have any comment?

My 2005 300C has similar headrests, and now that we are used to them, they are not a problem. In fact when I drive my '91, the lower rounder headrests kind of worry me, I also have neck problems and could have real bad results if my neck got a shot of whiplash.

I doubt if the headrests are active. Didn't look like it in the cutaways at the job 1 day.
 

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I was wondering how they got 25mpg out of that engine. A +20mph speedo should do the trick! :laugh_ti:

on a serious note, could the speedo be calibrated for the 2.77 instead of the 3.16 final drive? :shrug:
I'm not sure how they are calculating speed these days....
 
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