So who's not really impressed with the new SHO?

[Huntervf]

test drove it handles like a tank and can be easily dominated by almost any other car because its heavy as **** has way to many features feels like a caddy or a bigggg Lincoln town car... should be the SE with some interior work, sound system paddle shifters, and a 4.4L V8 they put in the volvo. Supercharged/Twin turbo and should have chosen RWD or FWD, AWD just adds weight, complexity, and more places for power to get lost. i hate to say it hello G8 bye bye SHO if i had to choose.....

365 horsepower FWD???? :laugh_ti:

You just lost all credibility right there, but of course, you didn't actually drive the car anyway.

 

[typhoon5000]

Supercharged/Twin turbo and should have chosen RWD or FWD, AWD just adds weight, complexity, and more places for power to get lost. i hate to say it hello G8 bye bye SHO if i had to choose.....

The G8 is nice, but you can't buy a new one. Now tell me how you are going to handle the torquesteer from a FWD car with 350ft-lbs of torque plus very grippy 245 or 255 width tires on it? A new RWD chassis would have cost way more than it's worth for Ford and they don't have money to play around with. They need to make profit and by basing it on an existing chassis, they saved millions, possibly billions in development and tooling costs.

 

[Toolman]

350ft lbs and FWD is not nearly as bad as everyone thinks. Heck, 450ft lbs and FWD is not nearly as bad as everyone thinks. Unrefined perhaps, but not a death knell.

 

[SHOclub1]

All those little hot FWD hatches are pretty evil according to the magaZines. The Mazda 3 S is one of the worst. Magazine recently talked about it taking your hands off if you didn't have a good grip. There are ways to tame it, but AWD is the wave for performance sedans, BMW, Mercedes, Japan Inc etc all offer them, and for a purist, RWD is still the ultimate, for all out performance, most of the hottest cars have AWD now.

 

[sperold]

Everyone has an opinion, and that is great.
I love the First and Second Generation SHO's. I have had lots of new cars & vans over the years, and now my daily car is a 95 MTX (call me crazy). I have enough money tied up in it that I could be driving another new car. I don't get any notice, or much respect driving this car. But it is what I drive. And I am not going to change soon.
The new SHO is kind of a Lincoln luxury sports car. It is much more attractive than the Lincoln model with the same engine. And of course, it is a much better car than the 1, 2 Gen car, simply because that is what 15 years of advancements achieve. The car is big and heavy, and that is what consumers want in this price range.
The new SHO owners have it right.... but I also have it right. We are all right.
I hope the sales are brisk, and yes, under the right circumstances, I could see myself in the new SHO, but with my tendencies, the Mustang looks good too.

 

[TSS1]

You just lost all credibility right there, but of course, you didn't actually drive the car anyway.

X2.

Not actually expecting a response to you from siman, but nonetheless.

 

[thepawn]

The new SHO is kind of a Lincoln luxury sports car. It is much more attractive than the Lincoln model with the same engine.

That's pretty much what happened to me... I was looking at the MKS, but the body of the SHO just looked so much nicer... I would love the front of the Lincoln with the SHO's LED parking lights and the SHO's rear on the Lincoln body.

 

[RonPorter]

350ft lbs and FWD is not nearly as bad as everyone thinks. Heck, 450ft lbs and FWD is not nearly as bad as everyone thinks. Unrefined perhaps, but not a death knell.

Yeah, it is. From a new car standpoint, anyway. Not anything that can be offered to the public for all driving conditions.

If it can't handle full throttle on dry pavement in 1st gear, it's not usable.

 

[RonPorter]

All those little hot FWD hatches are pretty evil according to the magaZines. The Mazda 3 S is one of the worst. Magazine recently talked about it taking your hands off if you didn't have a good grip. There are ways to tame it, but AWD is the wave for performance sedans, BMW, Mercedes, Japan Inc etc all offer them, and for a purist, RWD is still the ultimate, for all out performance, most of the hottest cars have AWD now.

Yeah, RWD will hang around for special cars that only see nice days and/or track days, like a Porsche GT2 or GT3. But even Porsche only offers AWD on the "regular" Turbo. Same with Lamborghini with AWD. They have put RWD on a couple of the limited-production specials they've made lately, but see the GT2/GT3 comment above.

AWD is not the drag it once was. Sure, a few extra #s, but not as much, plus power loss is not much worse than FWD.

IMO mfrs lost their way with FWD. It should have stayed on cars that originally had it, meaning cars with 150 HP or less and weighing 3,000 #s or less. FWD in big cars was, and still is, stupid.

 

[Shoman594]

A new sho?? No way in h ell ford would ever come out with a new sho.

 

[SHOMON]

I'm still waiting for a 3.7 direct injection 6speed manual Fusion Sport with 300 hp.

 

[Jonny Cash]

A new sho?? No way in h ell ford would ever come out with a new sho.

^^Ive been wondering. How many more years will the new SHO survive? How are sales?

 

[1970Bronco]

I just picked up some stuff from my dealer. My salesman said the Taurus as a whole is catching on slowly. He did say that he has sold three SHO's since mine and everyone who has test drove one, bought it. One guy was several months away from purchasing, and had never owned an SHO before but wanted to see what all the fuss was about. After a 3 mile test drive he bought it.

Personally, the SHO is every bit as fun as my RWD Lincoln Mark VIII, and it has a hefty tune and 3.73's in the rear, as well as an aluminum driveshaft and Brembo's all the way around.....

 

[Siman]

sorry but you can believe what you want there are a few 2010 SHOs around here i just happened to test drive one. i don't plan on getting a G8 but it would be better than a new SHO in performance and potential just not practical for me. Trust me iv been in cars and driven cars with well over 500hp and a excessive amount of torque at the front wheels. im not going to press the issue because i don't care what you believe i know what i have done and that's enough for me.

o hay the new Mazda 6 is using the 3.7 Duratec has anybody driven one yet? and if so how is it?

mb not on my computer it keeps trying to auto correct my spelling...with the wrong spelling...

 

[thebigjimsho]

weals???

 

[sperold]

You can't blame the guys who have Gen 1 & 2 SHO's for wishing the new SHO's would be more like their cars. These Gen 1 & 2's are very efficient, because they are fairly light and nicely powered. In a day when cubic inches were king, these cars took a very small motor and made the most of it.
The new SHO is a hot rod Lincoln, and has taken a different direction. It may find a wider appeal, and it may not. It will have its fans, and its detractors. Some of the detractors will come from the ranks of former SHO owners, and that is OK.

 

[1970Bronco]

sorry but you can believe what you want there are a few 2010 SHOs around here i just happened to test drive one. i don't plan on getting a G8 but it would be better than a new SHO in performance and potential just not practical for me. Trust me iv been in cars and driven cars with well over 500hp and a excessive amount of torque at the front wheels. im not going to press the issue because i don't care what you believe i know what i have done and that's enough for me.

o hay the new Mazda 6 is using the 3.7 Duratec has anybody driven one yet? and if so how is it?

mb not on my computer it keeps trying to auto correct my spelling...with the wrong spelling...

Not trying to pick a fight, but......

What car have you driven that was front wheel drive with "well over 500hp" my BS radar just went active....

 

[thepawn]

Maybe if Pontiac had ever, ever created a good interior the G8 would be a nice car, but wow, yeah, no... maybe if they stuffed one of those newer Buick interiors into it.

 

[thepawn]

one of the other things that I also see in this thread is people comparing the new SHO to MIDSIZE sedans for handling and performance...it is a full-size sedan, NOT a midsize!

CTS, G8, G37, Fusion, those are all midsize sedans... 7-Series, STS, on the otherhand...

 

[RonPorter]

You can't blame the guys who have Gen 1 & 2 SHO's for wishing the new SHO's would be more like their cars. These Gen 1 & 2's are very efficient, because they are fairly light and nicely powered. In a day when cubic inches were king, these cars took a very small motor and made the most of it.
The new SHO is a hot rod Lincoln, and has taken a different direction. It may find a wider appeal, and it may not. It will have its fans, and its detractors. Some of the detractors will come from the ranks of former SHO owners, and that is OK.

Well, let's not do "revisionist history" here.

Quick background. My cars prior to the new '89 SHO were: '83 GT 5.0 5-speed, '85 Vette Z51, '86 Z28 TPI (which got traded for the '89 SHO)

I needed 4-doors. Within a week after having the SHO, I told my Ford buddy that this is the heaviest car that Ford should have put this engine into. I wasn't disappointed with the performance, as I like high-revving engines and manual trannies, but the car was not quicker than any other the ones I just mentioned.

Oh, and the car was not very stiff. I put it (at the time) as a bit softer than the Z28, and definitely softer than the Z51 and the GT. Nice, though. Very quiet and refined for the day. Maybe if someone bought a SHO after driving a Coupe de Ville, it would have felt stiff, but I was used to performance cars.

Remember that guys with the older cars were starting to buy Gen 2s in the '93+ timeframe, and grumbled a bit that the cars were getting softer. Mostly due to the smaller bars, I guess, as well as the GA tires on the ATXs.

The more things change, the more they remain the same........