So who's not really impressed with the new SHO?

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RonPorter

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Maybe if Pontiac had ever, ever created a good interior the G8 would be a nice car, but wow, yeah, no... maybe if they stuffed one of those newer Buick interiors into it. :)

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See, this is why styling is so personal.

I would feel that I would have to wear shades every time I would drive a car with this interior. WAYYY too much brightwork.
 

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one of the other things that I also see in this thread is people comparing the new SHO to MIDSIZE sedans for handling and performance...it is a full-size sedan, NOT a midsize!

CTS, G8, G37, Fusion, those are all midsize sedans... 7-Series, STS, on the otherhand...

That's nice. I suggest you sit in a G8 and then sit in a SHO. The G8 is almost limo-like. Maybe it is mid-size, but credit them for brilliant packaging...
 

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wow this is getting blown way out of the water it was in a lancer it may have been a 4wd im not 100% sure if it was an evo or not. i know he has done extensive work to it its a nice car wish we had an engine that would rev that high and be able to take that much boost......
 

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Siman said:
Trust me iv been in cars and driven cars with well over 500hp and a excessive amount of torque at the front wheels. im not going to press the issue because i don't care what you believe i know what i have done and that's enough for me.

wow this is getting blown way out of the water it was in a lancer it may have been a 4wd im not 100% sure if it was an evo or not. i know he has done extensive work to it its a nice car wish we had an engine that would rev that high and be able to take that much boost......

Someone with such automotive experience can't even tell the difference between a Lancer and an Evo? Yup, I smell a Troll :laugh_ti:

The G8 and new SHO are quite comparable in size, and while the G8's interior isn't total luxo, it's not really not that bad. Had Pontiac (or at least the G8 GT) continued production I believe it would've offered the toughest competition for the SHO, as it delivers a more enthusiastic driving experience in the same size category for several thousand dollars less. Step up to the G8 GXP and for roughly the same price as the SHO you get superior performance, not to mention a six-speed manual transmission. Of course, you sacrifice the AWD capability and truckload of optional luxury items, but therein lies the question: In the $40,000 performance sedan category, do you want a car that just performs, or do you want luxury with it as well?

The demographics for $40,000 performance sedan buyers say luxury with performance.
 

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Just to clarify the wayward thinking that once a car is discontinued it's value goes up - WRONG. Any G8 actually took a hit when it was discontinued. Besides ALL cars decrease in value. To look at a car with too much reagrd for its retension of 'value' is misguided and fruitless. Vehicles are an ever DECREASING commodity, always have been, always will be. We sad saps seem to place our own 'personal' value to them that makes them worth anything.
I have not yet driven a new SHO and unless im a serious buyer, likely will not get the opportunity. But for Ford to have the balls to build and mass produce a car like that says alot for the company - far from perfect -that I've always supported.
Two thumbs up for a car I havent driven.
 

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to make the blanket statement that "All cars decrease in value" you ignore that certain collectible cars (since you say "all" I can include a Max Wedge 63 Plymouth, or a Super Duty 62 Pontiac Catalina or certain low production import cars) have gone up quite a lot in value, and that takes into account inflation.

As for modern cars, there are examples where cars that have been discontinued have had the typical price that they sell at (usually discounted) go up slightly (maybe not discounted as much or at all) for a short period of time. With very rare exceptions though, they will go back down again when the buying frenzy is over. In one local example, when the Pacer was killed one local dealer quit dealing and asked sticker price for one on the floor (Yes, I actually considered buying one if the price was right). I didn't buy that one, but it did sell, at sticker a few days later. The dealer was betting that some AMC fanatic would buy it to save, and that may have happened. We can be sure though that the car didn't bring big bucks, but if it is sitting in a garage somewhere with 10 miles on it in new condition, it will bring much more than new price at auction, but probably not equal to inflation, not that kind of car.

Anyway, be careful of blanket statments like you made, they are usually wrong.
 

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Anything can be collectible and worth a higher price to a certain individual. But to buy a car for this collect ability one would not be using it as a car but as an investment. I'd rather get something else to try and improve on the value of what I purchased.
 

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Right you are Paul. usually new cars bought as an investment don't work out. Ask thousands of people that bought (I think) 1978 Collector edition Corvettes. Turned out the low HP car that was produced in too high a volume for a collector car, has not much more value than any other Corvette of the era. Only good thing is there is a good number of them showing up at auction now, and you can get a nearly new low mile car (if you want that body style, engine etc) since all of them are coming out of garages, owners giving up on them ever gaining in value. There are examples of brand new cars that actually have gone up in value some for short term only, some for long term. The Ferrari F-40 went up a HUGE amount when brand new, but that bubble burst.
 

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My neighbors wife bought a blue '78 Vette this summer. She's happy but they spent way too much money.
 

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My neighbors wife bought a blue '78 Vette this summer. She's happy but they spent way too much money.

Frankly, anything over the price of a typical used SHO paid for a typical '75 -'82 Vette is borderline too much. They were absolute crap, and slow to boot.

Anytime somebody brings up the old yarn about "GM would never let a (insert car, like a Z28 or T/A, here) be faster than a Vette" just needs to look at Vettes of this vintage where about every Z28 or T/A from '77 forward could spank it. That is, if the vette was running and not in the shop for a soft cam or an electrical gremlin.
 

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I think someone has confirmed that the EcoBoost V6 won't fit in the Fusion engine bay.

Thanks for the info. But I'd still wonder if it might not be modified to fit. The 3.5 clearly fits without the turbos. Is it such a tight fit that turbos cannot be packaged?
 

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That's nice. I suggest you sit in a G8 and then sit in a SHO. The G8 is almost limo-like. Maybe it is mid-size, but credit them for brilliant packaging...

Seems I am wrong, the G8 is classed as a full-size.
 

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Well, I sat in one, and I sure would not consider it full size. Nor very nice, for that matter. But it does seem the 'traditional' size categories have broken down a good deal of late.

pax, smn
 

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I am fortunate to own a new 2010 SHO. I have read the multitude of comments good and bad now I would like to throw in my two cents... The very "characteristics" that I see so fondly referred to regarding the first and second Gen SHO's are or should I say were the very characteristics most enthusiasts complained about when these vehicles first came out, heavy torque steer, unrefined finish and the rather undeveloped handling package. Fast forward to 2010 and Ford Engineers develop a fully matured drivetrain (no MTX is a huge fault I admit) which behaves so well it is deceivingly fast (and the power is available literally anytime) they put together a chasis that performs great, especially when you take into consideration the nearly 4400lb heft it has to move around. Add to the total package the phenominal technology that the Ford boys included in this latest generation SHO and they have addressed much of the previous complaints, to say the least, there is no other car in the market today in the SHO's class that even offers these innnovations, and if you really want this level of performance, refinement and technology you must spend at least 15K more. Now I have read plenty of comparisons but if you compare the 2010 SHO to anything but a full size performance sedan you are not doing it or your comments justice since regardless of your opinion the SHO was meant to compete within the full size catagory period. Again to touch on the old versus new remarks it's is like trying to compare the old honda CIVIC to the NEW one, which is much larger, more powerful and far more technologically advanced than it's predecessors. This is not to say that the old SHO's are not great cars, they are but the new SHO, I am confident, will prove to be just as capable of a performance model as it's ancestors when compared to the other offerings of today. The more I live with this latest generation SHO the more I have come to appreciate the true value I inherited with this purchase and I am proven fortunate time and time again that I made a sound choice when I see the looks on the faces of my co-workers and acquaintances that drive MB's, BMW's and Lexus's that do not have the combination of performance and technology I have and still paid as much or more than I did, it is a bitter pill to swallow when you realize you could get more for less. I own a BMW so I speak from experience here. :omgsho:
 

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I am fortunate to own a new 2010 SHO. I have read the multitude of comments good and bad now I would like to throw in my two cents...

Very well said. You're not going to please all of the people, all of the time. I would like to say Ford did a fantastic job in designing a vehicle that is a combination of luxury, performance and value. It's a balance amongst these characteristics (luxury, performance and value) that if you add more in one, you take away from the other. Enter the aftermarket industry. If something about the new SHO bothers you enough, you can go out and spend the money to change it, eg. brakes. Why should Ford put Brembos on the SHO driving up the cost when I would imagine a majority of the people that buy the car could care less about the added performance? I mentioned in a previous post about the advantage the SHO had in the Loveland Pass comparison, but all manufacturers bias their advertising in some form or another. It's the nature of advertising. It's marketing's job to focus on the pros and downplay the cons.
 
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