So who's not really impressed with the new SHO?

[kikkinasphalt]

Note to Kikkinasphalt:

1. Buy One
2. Drive It.
3. If you still want it lighter, tear out the stuff you do not like.
4. Get a name fit for an adult.

pax, smn

1) If im going to spend 40k on a car it will be LSX powerd.
2) i dont need to drive it to see issues already discussed
3) why would i gut a new car? this is just silly
4) my name is fit for me. ive used this SN for 20 years.

 

[stephen newberg]

How very discouraging.

pax, smn

 

[kikkinasphalt]

How very discouraging.

pax, smn

good call.

 

[stephen newberg]

good call.

Ya, I know.

pax, smn

 

[Toolman]

and will have much higher residual value later on now that it's discontinued.

Just like the SHO's have been enjoying for the past decade....:laugh_ti:

 

[Toolman]

On a further note, of all the people comparing the new SHO to the GEN I/II's, and complaining how they are not the same car, that the new SHO does not have the same magic, etc etc etc, I would be curious to know how many of you PURCHASED GEN I/II'S BRAND NEW??? I can almost gaurantee that less than 1% did, and the other 99% would have been complaining about how the 1991 SHO was too heavy compared to the 89, how the new 16" slicer wheels were too big, how the unneeded airbags and nearly standard moonroof were luxury options that you did not want in a 'sports sedan', or when the 92 came out, you would have been bemoaning the again extra weight, the change in steering feel, the new dash design, the quiter insulated cabin, or how this car 'felt' slower than the 89.

GIVE IT A FREAKIN BREAK!!!!

The 2010 is absolutely AWESOME!!! One would be in my driveway tomorrow if I had not just spent $35,000 remodeling my house. They in NO way are meant as a comparison to the GEN I/II cars, as they are in a different class, and are better in nearly every aspect compared to those cars. Are all you guys too young to remember that the SALES OF THE ORIGINAL SHO's WERE ABYSMAL!!!! FORD DOES NOT WANT A REPEAT, WE AS SHO ENTHUSIASTS DO NOT WANT A REPEAT. Can the SHO get better, sure. Can all the moaning and whining change what the 2010 is? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. IF YOU WANT A CAR THAT DRIVES LIKE A GEN I/II SHO, THAT IS AS LIGHT AS A GEN I/II SHO, THAT DOES NOT COST $40,000, THAT HAS A YAMAHA ENGINE, BUY A FREAKIN GEN I/II SHO, THERE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF THEM ALL OVER THIS FORUM. Oh but wait, when a completely worked over low mileage 350hp GEN I comes on the forum for $6500, no one buys it and so the owner has to sell it on EBAY. Makes me sick.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

On a further note, of all the people comparing the new SHO to the GEN I/II's, and complaining how they are not the same car, that the new SHO does not have the same magic, etc etc etc, I would be curious to know how many of you PURCHASED GEN I/II'S BRAND NEW??? I can almost gaurantee that less than 1% did, and the other 99% would have been complaining about how the 1991 SHO was too heavy compared to the 89, how the new 16" slicer wheels were too big, how the unneeded airbags and nearly standard moonroof were luxury options that you did not want in a 'sports sedan', or when the 92 came out, you would have been bemoaning the again extra weight, the change in steering feel, the new dash design, the quiter insulated cabin, or how this car 'felt' slower than the 89.

GIVE IT A FREAKIN BREAK!!!!

The 2010 is absolutely AWESOME!!! One would be in my driveway tomorrow if I had not just spent $35,000 remodeling my house. They in NO way are meant as a comparison to the GEN I/II cars, as they are in a different class, and are better in nearly every aspect compared to those cars. Are all you guys too young to remember that the SALES OF THE ORIGINAL SHO's WERE ABYSMAL!!!! FORD DOES NOT WANT A REPEAT, WE AS SHO ENTHUSIASTS DO NOT WANT A REPEAT. Can the SHO get better, sure. Can all the moaning and whining change what the 2010 is? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. IF YOU WANT A CAR THAT DRIVES LIKE A GEN I/II SHO, THAT IS AS LIGHT AS A GEN I/II SHO, THAT DOES NOT COST $40,000, THAT HAS A YAMAHA ENGINE, BUY A FREAKIN GEN I/II SHO, THERE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF THEM ALL OVER THIS FORUM. Oh but wait, when a completely worked over low mileage 350hp GEN I comes on the forum for $6500, no one buys it and so the owner has to sell it on EBAY. Makes me sick.

agreed.

i never compared the NEW S.H.O. to the old versions. i only noted things that i thought the car needed improvement on biased on the reviews i have read and its performance stats.

 

[Toolman]

I found it interesting, that in the latest C&D, shortly after the test of the new SHO, they test 5 luxo sedans, ranging in price from the $55,455 Merc E350 to the $63,820 BMW 535i. As for anyone who thinks the new SHO can not compete with these cars, get the mag, and see my thread here (to be made soon)...

 

[Racer X]

notes to ford.

1) put the car on a diet
2) bigger brakes up front
3) more aggressive tune (esp in the trans area)
4) put the car on a diet
5) launch control
6) put the car on a diet.

Have you even ridden or driven one of the new SHO's?

Launch control? Really? :shakehead

 

[kikkinasphalt]

Have you even ridden or driven one of the new SHO's?

Launch control? Really? :shakehead

yes launch control. the ability to launch without holding the brake down.


no again i have not driven or ridden in a new S.H.O.. i dont need to to understand some of its faults.

are some of you so brand myopic that you cant see that? the assessments im making are on reviews and performance stats. (as i stated earlier but apparently some of you cant read)

 

[Racer X]

I know what launch control is. I, however, fail to comprehend it's necessity in a 2 ton AWD sedan.

And not for nothing, but I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that you have a qualified understanding of any of the car's faults based on what you read in a magazine or two, and not what you've experienced first riding in or driving the car.

Just saying.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

I know what launch control is. I, however, fail to comprehend it's necessity in a 2 ton AWD sedan.

And not for nothing, but I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that you have a qualified understanding of any of the car's faults based on what you read in a magazine or two, and not what you've experienced first riding in or driving the car.

Just saying.

ok thats my point.

its too heavy. fact which is why i said it needed a diet. launch control might be nice on say a 3600lb car with 360 horse huh.

i dont need to be shot to know it would hurt. sheesh

 

[Toolman]

But you would not be able to tell someone else who had not been shot HOW it hurts, or HOW IT COMPARES to other pain, until you have been shot.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

But you would not be able to tell someone else who had not been shot HOW it hurts, or HOW IT COMPARES to other pain, until you have been shot.

true, but not relevant to the point i made. you dont need to try to pick up an elephant to know its heavy and you dont need to drive a train to know it cant stop well.

 

[Toolman]

Yes, BUT COMPARED TO WHAT? When compared to the five luxo-sport sedans reviewed in the Sept C&D, the SHO outperforms them in every single acceleration contest save for 0-120 (the manual trans 535i beats it by 0.3 sec), and it on par with them all in the skidpad and braking test.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

Yes, BUT COMPARED TO WHAT? When compared to the five luxo-sport sedans reviewed in the Sept C&D, the SHO outperforms them in every single acceleration contest save for 0-120 (the manual trans 535i beats it by 0.3 sec), and it on par with them all in the skidpad and braking test.

now there is a point i cant argue with. though are those not way more expensive cars? when compared to cars in its price range it tends to fail.

 

[Off Road SHO]

Come on now folks, admit it. You can't afford one. The only reason 90% of the people on this forum have a SHO is that it was cheap to buy. If the 95 MTX still cost 12,000.00 to buy right now, no one would have one. If you're driving a car that cost you 1,500.00 to buy, what makes you think your opinion of a 40,000.00 car is going to be relevant. Most of the comments you make will be to try and convince others that the reason you're not going to buy one is the price. Come on now.

I think that what Ford has done is nothing short of stupendous. They didn't ask the general public squat when they were cooking up the Mustang or GT. This new SHO is going to be for the well heeled, not the broke-@ss kid crowd. (of which I am currently a member, unfortunately)

Tom

 

[Toolman]

Fail? In what categories? It is faster then the 300C AWD, and has a much nicer interior IMO. It is slower than a G8 GXP yes, but that car is no longer offered, is not NEARLY as nice inside (not my opinion, just fact), is not AWD. For what the SHO should be compared to, large luxo-sport sedans, like the ones mentioned above, it fares VERY favorably. And with a simple brake upgrade and i/e/tuning upgrades, it will be faster/quicker and stop as well as the lighter more garish GXP.

I am not some blind faithful SHO follower who would espouse all things SHO as the holy grail of automotive engineering, but I also am not going to malign FORD and this new SHO by regurgitating the same inadequacies that every one of the these threads cites. Yes, the car needs better performing brakes, but so did each and every one of the V6 cars, they were worse in comparison. Yes, the car is heavy, but is LOADS faster than 99% of the SHO's on the road, and NO full weight NA SHO will ever come close to it's performance. And as noted, when compared to some other luxo-sport sedans (which is what the SHO is), it fares VERY well. If it were not for the G8 GXP being built, what other sport sedan is faster for anywhere NEAR the same money? I can think of exactly none. Can FORD do even better, yes sir. And I hope they will. But in the meantime, it just gets old hearing the same ole complaints of bad brakes and heavy weight. How many 400+whp S/C'd V6 SHO have even ran as quick as 13.7? You can probably count the number of SHO's that have ran quicker than a 13.7 on your hands, and I have owned 2 of them, and I have met all the other owners of said SHO's in person, save for three. So how about we start a thread at how woefully slow the thousand lb lighter yet more powerful V6's SHO's are.

 

[kikkinasphalt]

Fail? In what categories? It is faster then the 300C AWD, and has a much nicer interior IMO. It is slower than a G8 GXP yes, but that car is no longer offered, is not NEARLY as nice inside (not my opinion, just fact), is not AWD. For what the SHO should be compared to, large luxo-sport sedans, like the ones mentioned above, it fares VERY favorably. And with a simple brake upgrade and i/e/tuning upgrades, it will be faster/quicker and stop as well as the lighter more garish GXP.

I am not some blind faithful SHO follower who would espouse all things SHO as the holy grail of automotive engineering, but I also am not going to malign FORD and this new SHO by regurgitating the same inadequacies that every one of the these threads cites. Yes, the car needs better performing brakes, but so did each and every one of the V6 cars, they were worse in comparison. Yes, the car is heavy, but is LOADS faster than 99% of the SHO's on the road, and NO full weight NA SHO will ever come close to it's performance. And as noted, when compared to some other luxo-sport sedans (which is what the SHO is), it fares VERY well. If it were not for the G8 GXP being built, what other sport sedan is faster for anywhere NEAR the same money? I can think of exactly none. Can FORD do even better, yes sir. And I hope they will. But in the meantime, it just gets old hearing the same ole complaints of bad brakes and heavy weight. How many 400+whp S/C'd V6 SHO have even ran as quick as 13.7? You can probably count the number of SHO's that have ran quicker than a 13.7 on your hands, and I have owned 2 of them, and I have met all the other owners of said SHO's in person, save for three. So how about we start a thread at how woefully slow the thousand lb lighter yet more powerful V6's SHO's are.

well written. i cant argue those point except the G8, however perhaps its the persona of a "performance" sedan that but the bar higher than what the current SHO could achieve. we have been beaten on since 1995 by most of the car market. base accords making as much power as we do. maybe it was because we were hoping for ford to capture lightning in a bottle twice and send us a new battleship for the streets, unfortunately we are givin a dingy.

this is where being an enthusiast of any auto hurts you. to me and for my money i would prefer the g8. but that is not to say the SHO is not a wonderful accomplishment. for me. it just does not have it where it counts.
. we hoped for the boy racer car of yester-year. and got a civilized version instead.

a footnote, the G8 is rebadged and will return in the chevy lineup.

 

[Devin]

I'm not really impressed with the new SHO.

I've never driven it, never seen it in person, have absolutely no experience in tuning, never tracked a car, have absolutely no way of buying it and generally prefer to dump on Fords anyway.

However that's not the reason the new SHO is unimpressive. The real reason is that it doesn't make f**kin' waffles.