SFC's & SFB's?

[ckinart]

Hey all,

I recently bought a set of aluminum SFB's for my '94 mtx, but have yet to install them. Now, I'm seriously considering a set of SFC's in the near future. Three questions:

1. Is it a good idea to have both of these upgrades (i.e. do SFC's negate the benefits of SFB's?)

2. I get the feeling that the SFB's have to be installed before I can have the SFC's installed, is this correct? (i.e. once SFC's are in, can you get the SFB's in?)

3. What effect, if any, will SFC's have on future jobs, like replacing the clutch, or engine/tranny mounts? (I'm under the impression that one method of replacing the clutch involves
lowering the subframe, but I could be wrong).

Any info you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Thanx in advance,

<small>[ March 14, 2003, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: ckinart ]</small>

 

[SHOleen]

I dont have etiher of these mods but i heard they both greatly improve the show and from what i hear the sfc weld to the frame of the car not the sub frame that you are talking about. And yes i know you can have them both

 

[luigisho]

Corey, have you looked at any of the install pics? The sfc's should not impede any work on your car. The one thing to look at before the final weld is to get a good look at how the gas tank drops. Some of the older ones made this a little tricky, but I think they have sice been redesigned so this is not a big issue. They don't attach at the subframe up front so no worries.

Using both sfc's and sfb's may increase interior noise slightly but not by a great deal. The performance gains are worth it. Depending on how you install the sfb's a realignment is usually a good idea for the front wheels.

 

[ckinart]

Luigisho,

To be quite honest, I don't fully understand where the connectors go (specifically). I was under the impression that they would go further forward than where the bushings are installed, but evidently that's not the case. I have seen some pics of the install, but the ones I've seen haven't made it clear where exactly they go. Anyway, I think you've told me what I needed to know -- thanx very much!!

Corey

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[luigisho]

It's been a while since I looked at the pics. If you look under the front of the car at the floorpan, near the subframe, you will see two reinforced tapered points on the floorpan. That's where the forewardmost ends of the sfc's attach to the car. The rearmost ends attach at the metal plating just in front of the rear wheels under the rear struts.

 

[MeShoHorny]

As luigisho pointed out you will not have any issues. It is basically your choise as to which you want to install 1st. The only problem/s you might find are that the SFC's might get in the way of the tank when you want to drop it. There are workarounds for this problem though.

The only small problem I encounterd was that the drivers side exhuast hangner, near the bend at the tank was hitting the SFC's. A large hose clamp on the rubber exhaust mount fixed this.

What kind of SFC's are you planning on installing? Shorties or Full lenght? I have full lenght and if I had to do it over again I would go with the shorties. Less welding and easier to install. You can put some really beefy welds in the tapered floor pan and the rear torque box.

 

[Emerald94]

I'm pretty sure this is what Corey has in mind:

 

[ckinart]

Thanx for posting that pic Pierre! Those are the ones thumbs_u

I guess I just misunderstood the interaction between the SFC's and the front portion of the car. I've never actually seen SFC's in person, but I'm hoping I'll have some of my own soon (as are you, Pierre?)

I was aware of the exhaust hanger interference, and I'll be wary of the possibility of fuel tank clearance.

Thanx for the info gents!

Corey

 

[john l]

can anbody post the specs for a set of sfc's. i did a search and coulnd not find the specs. thanks

 

[NWGRN94MTX]

Emerald94:
I'm pretty sure this is what Corey has in mind:

Oh my! I'm glad we don't salt roads.

 

[srfdude]

Emerald94:
I'm pretty sure this is what Corey has in mind:

WOW!!! I've seen shipwrecks that looked better than that wink
Mike

 

[Ishodu]

Hey I know whos car that is and with like 700000km or 437000 miles on it. I have to say it looks good.

 

[ckinart]

Yep Marcel,

I actually had the pleasure of meeting the owner of that car today (nice guy), and seeing as how it has (if I remember correctly) just over 630,000 kms on the clock (in the "rust belt"), I'd have to say it looks pretty good!!

*Edit:* I also had a look at his SFC's (which are what I'll hopefully be getting for my car), and I now understand exactly where they are installed, and am confident that they won't get in the way of anything else.

Corey

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[Ishodu]

I guess I went a little over board on the milage of that car but oh well marks car still has gone along way.

 

[Emerald94]

You didn't, the odometer wasn't working for a while so it actually has more mileage than indicated. eek!

ishodu:
I guess I went a little over board on the milage of that car but oh well marks car still has gone along way.