Rear Brakes Question

[Pintony]

Hello group,
Looks like my 014 SHO may need rear brakes??? 45K miles The rotors appear to have some small groves in them.
So my question-s is...
1st Can the rear rotors be turned or is that an old school thing and I have to buy new ones?
2nd Best choice for rear pads?
3rd any special tools needed for the job?

 

[2011TAURUSSEL]

1. They can be turned but probably only once and probably not very comforting.

2. Pads.....subjective......HAWK, EBC, Duralast, C-Max, Brake Performance, R1 Concepts. Rotors same I had a Brake Performance kit for my 13 SEL for under $400 for all four corners, slotted rotors and ceramic pads.

3. T-40 for the rotor hat retaining screw. If re installed I recommend anti-sieze
3B. Pad retention screw. This is a special tool that can be purchased at local auto parts stores, it is basically a five sided die you line up the tabs and use a 3/8" socket with probably a 2-3 inch extension bar. This retracts the piston enough to free up the space for the new pads since in theory they should be much thicker than the old ones.

4. 45K I would recommend a brake flush as simple as it sounds, they flush the old fluid removing the moisture and possible contaminantion and run new fresh fluid through the system. They say 50K or three years now sounds like good as time as any.

DOT 4 Fluid......

 

[Pintony]

1. They can be turned but probably only once and probably not very comforting.

2. Pads.....subjective......HAWK, EBC, Duralast, C-Max, Brake Performance, R1 Concepts. Rotors same I had a Brake Performance kit for my 13 SEL for under $400 for all four corners, slotted rotors and ceramic pads.

3. T-40 for the rotor hat retaining screw. If re installed I recommend anti-sieze
3B. Pad retention screw. This is a special tool that can be purchased at local auto parts stores, it is basically a five sided die you line up the tabs and use a 3/8" socket with probably a 2-3 inch extension bar. This retracts the piston enough to free up the space for the new pads since in theory they should be much thicker than the old ones.

4. 45K I would recommend a brake flush as simple as it sounds, they flush the old fluid removing the moisture and possible contaminantion and run new fresh fluid through the system. They say 50K or three years now sounds like good as time as any.

DOT 4 Fluid......

Thanks 2011TAURUSSEL,
I'm thinking EBC REDS for the brake pads.What is the best stuff to use to clean the brake grime off the BIG DAISEYS?

 

[2011TAURUSSEL]

No sweat. As for cleaner normal soap and water maybe a general purpose wheel cleaner. If your removing for brake change good as time as any to clean the inside of the wheels. A good polish always does wonder for appearance piece of mind and looks. Espe

 

[2011TAURUSSEL]

Also add possibility of hardware kit new shims and basic tools and fluids.

If your pads have the tension springs KEEP THEM at least until you verify that the replacement hardware kit has them. These tension springs go at upper and lower corners of the pads and essentially keep tension on the pads to prevent excess wear. The caliper piston pressure can over ride the spring but but for normal use keeps the pads from riding on the rotors until pedal application.

Do one side at a time. Remove both wheels but keep one side clean as a reference point.

 

[2011TAURUSSEL]

I personally purchase everything prior to inspection. If new parts aren't needed then I can return if they are I don't have to waste time putting back together again.

 

[SHOdded]

Tips for cleaning wheels drawn from various professional detailers:

1. Collinite 845 works for paint as well as for waxing/sealing wheels. Works well with a sprayer for efficient application. Ideally you would use the same synthetic sealants used on paints for lasting protection and easy maintenance tho.
2. Apply Zep Citrus 4:1 to wheel faces/barrels to clean.
3. Apply Zep Purple 4:1 to tires to get brown gunk out of tires. EDIT: Zep 505 may be better, does not smell caustic, can be used at full strength, and rinses off easily.
4. Meguiar’s Hyper Dressing mixed at 3:1. The nice thing about this dressing is that it’s water based and you dilute it to your desired level of gloss.

As for brakes:

The reason you need a special tool for the rear calipers is that the piston is a "screw-in" type. This is the FSM's way to do it (rest is normal installation):

1. NOTE: A moderate to heavy force toward the caliper piston must be applied. If sufficient force is not applied, the internal park brake mechanism clutch cone will not engage and the piston will not compress.

Using the Rear Caliper Piston Adjuster (or equivalent such as OTC tool 7317A), rotate the caliper piston clockwise to compress the piston into its cylinder.
Rear Caliper Piston Adjuster - 206-026 (T87P-2588-A)
2. Clean the residual adhesive from the brake caliper fingers and piston using specified brake parts cleaner.
3. Position the notch in the caliper piston so that it will correctly align with the pin on the backside of the inboard brake pad.
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Also, what you have are not the infamous "daisy" wheels. Those are:

 

[postwick]

1. They can be turned but probably only once and probably not very comforting.

2. Pads.....subjective......HAWK, EBC, Duralast, C-Max, Brake Performance, R1 Concepts. Rotors same I had a Brake Performance kit for my 13 SEL for under $400 for all four corners, slotted rotors and ceramic pads.

3. T-40 for the rotor hat retaining screw. If re installed I recommend anti-sieze
3B. Pad retention screw. This is a special tool that can be purchased at local auto parts stores, it is basically a five sided die you line up the tabs and use a 3/8" socket with probably a 2-3 inch extension bar. This retracts the piston enough to free up the space for the new pads since in theory they should be much thicker than the old ones.

4. 45K I would recommend a brake flush as simple as it sounds, they flush the old fluid removing the moisture and possible contaminantion and run new fresh fluid through the system. They say 50K or three years now sounds like good as time as any.

DOT 4 Fluid......

3. Those stupid tools are a stupid nightmare of stupid. Or I am, because I was never able to get them to work. I just used a pair of channel lock pliers on past cars. Is it possible to get a tool that is just one of the sets of grooves that is for a specific car?

Edit: Later comment answered my question

//Rear Caliper Piston Adjuster - 206-026 (T87P-2588-A)//

 

[Pintony]

Tips for cleaning wheels drawn from various professional detailers:

1. Collinite 845 works for paint as well as for waxing/sealing wheels. Works well with a sprayer for efficient application. Ideally you would use the same synthetic sealants used on paints for lasting protection and easy maintenance tho.
2. Apply Zep Citrus 4:1 to wheel faces/barrels to clean.
3. Apply Zep Purple 4:1 to tires to get brown gunk out of tires. EDIT: Zep 505 may be better, does not smell caustic, can be used at full strength, and rinses off easily.
4. Meguiar’s Hyper Dressing mixed at 3:1. The nice thing about this dressing is that it’s water based and you dilute it to your desired level of gloss.

As for brakes:

The reason you need a special tool for the rear calipers is that the piston is a "screw-in" type. This is the FSM's way to do it (rest is normal installation):

1. NOTE: A moderate to heavy force toward the caliper piston must be applied. If sufficient force is not applied, the internal park brake mechanism clutch cone will not engage and the piston will not compress.

Using the Rear Caliper Piston Adjuster (or equivalent such as OTC tool 7317A), rotate the caliper piston clockwise to compress the piston into its cylinder.
View attachment 1911 View attachment 1913 Rear Caliper Piston Adjuster - 206-026 (T87P-2588-A)
2. Clean the residual adhesive from the brake caliper fingers and piston using specified brake parts cleaner.
3. Position the notch in the caliper piston so that it will correctly align with the pin on the backside of the inboard brake pad.
View attachment 1912​

Also, what you have are not the infamous "daisy" wheels. Those are:

Those are the baby daisy's.
BIG DAISY"S

 

[Pintony]

I personally purchase everything prior to inspection. If new parts aren't needed then I can return if they are I don't have to waste time putting back together again.

As slow "& OCD" as I am about cleaning and repainting everything the rear brake job on my SHO will most likely take a week.
Thank you for all the advise 2011TAURUSSEL...

 

[2011TAURUSSEL]

They may make a vehicle specific one but my guess is same price or possibly more expensive. For $12 ish a decent price and if you have other vehicles great if not then keep it for the one vehicle. I am OCD for mine but I wound up purchasing another kit from Harbor Freight. Believe it or not as OCD I am about my own vehicles I am even worse about others people vehicles. Long Story short I used that kit for my friends 2011 Honda and it worked like a charm. Yes a pair of needle nose pliers may work but may also cut, gouge the surface, tear the dust boot.

I was skeptical of this tool at first but once I tried it I was sold. There is not a lot too it, find the die and turn CCW

 

[Pintony]

Hello 2011TAURUSSEL,
I think I know the cube thing you are talking about.
But I do not see them at my local NAPA.
They have the winder... So I need the left hand winder?

 

[2011TAURUSSEL]

I got mine at Carquest but I have seen at AUTOZONE too. Out of town so won't have access to my kit for a few days. I will check when I get back but hopefully someone can chime in before then. If not A/Z then advance or O Reilly's. You could probably find on line.

 

[2011TAURUSSEL]

Cube....summit racing

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/oes-25071?seid=srese1&gclid=CPagjoX86coCFRY8gQodoEQBcA

Kit.......Harbor Fright $45.00 but I found similar kits on Amazon for under $30

http://www.harborfreight.com/disc-brake-pad-and-caliper-service-tool-kit-18-pc-69053.html

Quick kit summary.

This 18 piece brake pad and caliper service tool kit is designed to rotate pistons back into the caliper to provide clearance for new pads and prevents damage to the piston and boot. Constructed of high carbon steel for added durability, this caliper tool kit can be used with most makes of vehicles. Handle brake service from the comfort of your own garage with this handy caliper tool kit.

• Rotate pistons back into the caliper for pad clearance
• Prevents damage to the piston and boot
• Magnetic side spindle adapters
• Designed for use with many vehicles, including GM, Audi, Austin, BMW, Ford, Honda, Jaguar, Mercedes Benz, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Rover, Toyota, VW PRE DIESEL SCANDAL MODELS.......Just Kidding.......too soon?,
• Mazda, Saab, Subaru, Renault, And Opel
• High carbon steel construction

 

[Hebes10]

Places like advance auto and auto zone will loan you the tool at no cost. You pay for the tool and then they refund the full amount when you return it. - Just another option since its not something you would use that often