Overdrive light flashing, HELP

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Hi all, have had my 98 for six days now. I love it. However, when we were driving back from the store tonight I noticed the O/D off light started flashing. I tried to push the button on the shifter, but nothing happened, it kept flashing. I got home and shut the car off, an started it back up. It wasnt flashing then. Please tell me this is not the start of tranny failure.

Somebody help. Has anybody seen this before.

I would greatly appreciate any input.

Thanks

brian
 

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I think we meed more information to tell you anything useful, Brian. I doubt it is the trans starting to fall out of the bottom of the car, though. You did the right thing as a first test with a stop and a restart. It might have given a code, which will be stored in the car's computer and can be read out with a reader. Check around the site here or over at V8SHO about that, since apparently it can be done at various places in the US much more cheaply than at the Ford dealerships, or you can buy your own reader.

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Hows the fluid look? Put a drop on a white paper towel. You will see the dirt in it very well if it is there.
 

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Thanks for the responses. Cant tell you guys how much I appreciate your sage like wisdom and advice. Hope to meet some of you all one day, but Im stuck out here in Idaho. Anway, I have decided to make a pilgrimage to convention 2006. Feel like a leach just gleaning all the good information without haveing much to contribute. Maybe someday Ill be up there with you guys. Anyway, just wanted to take the chance to say thanks.

Ok. hasnt done it today. Took it to the mechanic shop next to my store and had them run the codes. Came up with

P1464 - something about A/C out of max range
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P1501 - something about VSS out of range

I hope the VSS, is vehicle speed sensor, not sure, im going to check right now, and I hope that is the problem.

Anyway, any thoughts let me know.

Brian
 

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Paul, The guy I bought it from was supposed to have the tranny serviced the day before I bought it, part of the deal. I guess that doesn't mean he did, right. I will look tomorrow and see. Maybe I'm too trusting.


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Your '98 would take Mercon V or better. Maybe they put some non spec tranny fluid in?
 

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Paul, coudln't be, it was serviced at a ford dealership!


OK, three seconds was as long as i could keep a straight face on that one.

Ill do some more reading, but I assume the Mercon V isnt the old dexron mercon I sell on my shelf for $3.69. im hoping the VSS link turns out, that would certainly be next. Is there a general consensus on the type of fluid to use in the AX4N?

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mercon V, dont use any other grade, and the fill mark is wrong on the dipstick, full is actually on the N of the word dont
 

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Well, it happened again last night. Something else interesting happened before though. We were going to the "big city" for dinner. When I was merging on the on ramp and the car was speeding up when it got to like 60 to 65 on the speedo,l the speedomete needle suddenly dropped like 5 miles per hour,l then jumped back up to wher it should be. It took about a half second, real quick. then it happened about two more times in the next five seconds. After that no problems until we get to the restraunt.

So we get to Tony Romas and were driving around looking for a place to park when the O/D light starts flashing again. I had to drive for about a minute and something was definately screwy with the transmission. It was jumping all over, very strange feeling. We parked, shut the car off, waited about a minute, started the car because we were in a handicaped space, the moved. Upon restart no problems, though we only drove for maybe thirty seconds. We ate, about a whole pig, and drove home with no further problems.

It seems to me, with my limited knowledge, that this could be related to the VSS code that my car threw. I have always assumed that VSS was vehicle speed sensor, however, In reading through my searches on this I think people have said that the car doesnt even have one.

I would again, appreciate any input. I have to get this taken care of this week, hopefully we are going to be taking her to get welded this weekend!!!!!! Yeah. (Breaths deep sigh of relief)

Thanks

brian

Oh, checked out the tranny fluid, the previous owner did have it serviced, bright red, no burnt smell what so ever. Strangely though I did buy some tire gloss that smells like grapes yesterday.
 

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Your tranny might be overheating. I had the same problem with mine, a piece of the tranny cooler was missing. Yours doesn't sound as severe as mine though.
 

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There is a connector that stands straight up on the top of the tranny valve body. This is under the intake hose. Take this apart and make sire all is clean and tight.

You may also want to take the PCM connector off and make sure there is no corrosion there.
 

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The connector on top of the tranny valve body, is this easy to get to. I am very unmechanical, so is this something I should even touch. I tried a 60K on my 94 once and ended up towing it to the dealer.

Something else came to mind last night, there has been a few times, both in the morning i believe, that when i started the car the ABS light came on. After I reached my destination and shut the car off it would never come on again after restart. I have this strange feeling that these are all somehow connected.

I think I read correctly in a post that there is no actual vehicle speed sensor on the 98s, that it uses the input from the ABS system. Maybe part of my ABS system is going, hence the trouble with everything else. I found the follwoing on v8sho.com

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Every now and then when cruising down the highway, my speedometer will
suddenly drop off, then come back. Sometimes it's just for a split
second. On rare occasions, it will stay off (read zero) for quite some
time.

When this happens, if I'm using the cruise, then the car will start to
accelerate.

The ABS light sometimes comes on, especially in cold weather. However,
the ABS light coming on does not seem to have a direct correlation to
the speedometer issue.

What could be causing the drop in speed readings? What could be causing
the ABS light to come on? Could they be related?

I've heard that the ABS system and speedometer are tied together. But I
don't know what to go looking for. Anyone have any ideas?

Curtis Spears

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I had a similar problem with my 97. Last summer, the ABS light started coming on when the weather was extremely hot. I noticed that when things cooled off a little bit, the light went out. I also learned by trying, that when the ABS light was on, I had no ABS and when it was off, the ABS functioned normally. It never did set a diagnostic code. I just put off working on it until one morning when the speedometer quit. When that happened, it affected shifts, power steering, and I can't remember what all else.

In the 96 and 97's, the ABS module develops the speed reference signal that the whole car uses - including the speedometer. I'm not sure if that holds true for the 98's and 99's. My parts research taught me that the 96 ABS control module is unique to the 96 SHO and the 97 is unique to the 97 SHO. I THINK that the ABS control modules were the same for all of the 98 and 99 Tauri - SHO and SLO.

In my case, I got very lucky. After I had the ABS unit out of the car and the control module separated from the pump side (twisted off a bolt in the process), I could see through the clear gel they have poured over the internal circuit board and could see that there were small wires connecting the circuit board to the plug terminals. Nothing was visibly wrong but when I poked a small screwdriver into the gel and worked the wires around a little bit, I discovered that three of them were either broke from the plug terminal or were so weak that they broke when I wiggled them. It was a little tricky but I picked enough of the gel out to clean things up and solder the wires to the terminals. That has now been about 20K miles ago and it still seems to be okay. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

My bet is that you have a similar problem and that like mine, temperature changes are enough to make the wires move enough to make or break connection.

Dave Witte
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Dave,

What you describes sounds very familiar. I have noticed that when the speedometer starts to act up, multiple systems are affected, most noticeably the cruise and transmission.

Maybe you can answer some remaining questions for me: how many speed sensors does the ABS system monitor? One for each wheel?

Where are the speed sensors located? Where is the control module located?

Can you recommend how best to troubleshoot this system?

Is there anyplace than can read the ABS trouble codes other than Ford dealerships?

Thanks again.

Curtis

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Reads 4 on this car. The fronts are part of the outer cv joints.
The sensor is in the knuckle, the backs are part of the wheel hub and bearing assembly
the sensor is mounted on the rear hub knuckle. The control module, relay and pump motor is mounted right below the battery.

Check first for broken worn wires are the sensors, rust build-up, dirt, mud, snow etc will change the airgap and throw a code. Cracked exciter rings will cause a code.

Any shop with a SNAP-ON MTC{model number here} with an ABS card for it can read the codes.

Mine has only come on once in 4 years and the RR wheel was the code and it was packed full of snow. drive thru car wash with underbody spray fixed the problem due to the garage at home being full.

Now there a different wiring diagram from the 96 to 97 model year for this system. I have not looked at them to see what the difference is.

The SHO uses the RF ABS sensor as the Vehicle Speed sensor vs the Regular Taurus using the Speed Sensor in the Transmission.

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I have a feeling these are all linked. However this is not something I can fix myself, If i can point my mechanic in the right direction It might save me alot of diagnostic time.

Any thoughts on where to go from here.

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brian
 

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Yes the ABS is where the PCM gets it's speed signal from. This definately soundls like an electrical problem. The three places to check are the ABS controller connetor under the battery, the PCM connector on the passanger firewall and the tranny connector under the TB inttake hose.

The ABS tells the PCM how fast the car is moving and the PCM tells the tranny what to do. There is also the possibility of a frayed wire inside the tranny as there is a TSB on this.
 

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Just happened again this morning, noticed that when it started flashing the spedo died, jsut fell to zero and stayed there, no matter how fast I was going. this is obviously the sensor that tells the car how fast its going, right? this is the ABS sensor in the pasenger front, right? Want to make sure before I start changing a bunch of sensors.

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No disrespect, but it seems as though everyone is suggesting these far-reaching issues when it may be best to start with the basics. Adhering to Occam's Razor- "Keep it simple stupid" Why not start by trouble shooting the things that are very easy to access and that may very well be the root cause of the problems. One or more of the four ABS/VSS's could very well be the source of your problem. If the code says VSS out of range and the AT is going haywire AND the speedo is flaking out, start by just inspecting the VSS's. Take each wheel off and verify the integrity of the VSS at the axle. These are very succeptable to the elements and they are not indestructable. One small bolt is all it takes to remove each VSS and you can see if there is any distinct problem. The stealership may be able to use a Ford-specific advanced code reader to check the ABS computer or PCM to find the specific VSS that is flaking out. If it turns out to be one of the VSS's, the dealer may rob you for the price, but at least you won't be searching for a convoluded internal transmission wire.

Good luck!
 

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Im sure its one of the ABS sensors, the only question I have is which one generates the vehicle speed signal? Seems like I read somewhere that the pasenger front is the one. Or is it a mix from all the sensors?

If I could figure this out the problem would be taken care of.

Been searching v8 sho and shoforum, but no definative answer yet.

Thanks

brian
 
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