No More ATP Turbos for the SHO...

[FiveLeeter918]

In case you're wondering, ATP has discontinued the turbo upgrades for the 2010-2019 Taurus SHO. I have several sets on order (have since early March), and received word that all orders have been cancelled and they will not be taking on any more orders for them.

I asked if it was due to EPA/CARB concerns, but was told that it was due to material availability and lack of overall sales leading to them to reduce their overall offerings.

Trying to push them to fulfill my existing orders, but it's not looking very promising currently.

We do still have lots of great vendors for turbos like Gearhead, CR Performance, and a few others. But thought you all would like to know.

 

[802SHO]

Damn wonder what this means for existing customers that have an issue in the near future.

 

[Tyrone Beasly]

Just curious but is there much difference in any of them. We pulled mine off not long ago to realize they weren't stock. Compressor side had a billet wheel and was machined out. So was the exhaust it appeared. Cleaned them up made sure they balance and rebuilt the cores. To me looks as most are using stock housings and there's not a whole lot to be gained doing so is there that much difference between any of them. Anyone actually map them all out?

As I said Just curious because I have no idea what my car has. We found a bunch of LMS paperwork with the car but also some from unleashed and others.

Anyway to ID the different ones?? It runs strong just don't know what it has but doesn't seem like a lot of choices

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Just curious but is there much difference in any of them. We pulled mine off not long ago to realize they weren't stock. Compressor side had a billet wheel and was machined out. So was the exhaust it appeared. Cleaned them up made sure they balance and rebuilt the cores. To me looks as most are using stock housings and there's not a whole lot to be gained doing so is there that much difference between any of them. Anyone actually map them all out?

As I said Just curious because I have no idea what my car has. We found a bunch of LMS paperwork with the car but also some from unleashed and others.

Anyway to ID the different ones?? It runs strong just don't know what it has but doesn't seem like a lot of choices

LMS and Unleashed sell the ATP version. Typically they are serialized, got any pics?

Yes we are stuck with modifying the stock frame housings, but lots of math goes into optimizing the CHRA to optimize performance.

 

[Tyrone Beasly]

Not any close ups of the turbos, I took pics of everything else to make sure it went back together ok. Pictures are priceless when your done and have stuff left over .....or as some would say “involuntary weight savings” lmao

I’m not really worried but just curious, they were in fantastic shape. Probably less than 10k mi. New bearings and seals since they were off anyway. They did not have the same compressor as ght plus the intake bore was larger. We had some of those on hand that went into a buddies car. Mine runs... his not so much

 

[Bluezone]

LMS and Unleashed sell the ATP version. Typically they are serialized, got any pics?

Yes we are stuck with modifying the stock frame housings, but lots of math goes into optimizing the CHRA to optimize performance.

The company I used to work for, was making components for garrett. After we were in it a while, we were doing runs of parts for other turbo manufacturers. So while they were using almost exactly the same castings. The machine work was virtually the same. Barring compressor / turbine spec changes. The only real differentiation was that the castings. Well appearing similar, they had specific company logos and embossed on the castings.
The castings were coming from the same production foundries. From all appearances they were the same castings for economic reasons. So it's not surprising you have to reuse the Ford speced castings. This is because of center housing family these turbos are based on.
Sorry for the long post. Cheers

 

[Jordan_R]

ATP do not have billet wheels in them.

 

[BweegN]

Thanks for the heads up @FiveLeeter918
So, chances are 50/50 for those of us with ATP's on order will have to source elsewhere.
Those suckers were expensive to ship :-\
Is this a good place to discuss the + and - between what options we still may have?
Like above...someone has billet wheels...maybe a homemade gig or is it a vendor we know of??
I'm not looking to trash vendors or anything (everyone on here is great! Keep it that way) but I would love advice/discussion while trying to decide what may be best for my build in terms of making extra and efficient power while maintaining long term reliability. gimmiedemgains!

 

[SaveMelMac]

http://bnrsupercars.com/
Any one have experience using these for the sho?
I have used them in the past on another platform and they had a good reputation.

 

[Michigan-SHO]

http://bnrsupercars.com/
Any one have experience using these for the sho?
I have used them in the past on another platform and they had a good reputation.

Those seem look a good option for a decent price. GH is $2k on their website... nice find.

 

[ChrisxHowe]

Maybe I should of tried BNR…been waiting 3 months for my turbos from Gearhead


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[FiveLeeter918]

The main things that I see the GH turbos offering that most others don't is the addition of the upgraded turbine, where CRP, BNR, and others retaining the factory exhaust turbine, which limited efficiency. Would 95% of SHO owners notice the difference on a stock block? not likely, but if you are looking for that 600hp benchmark you'll need it, as I don't think the CRP/BNR turbos will do much more than the 525hp we've seen the stock engine handle.

I'm working with a few difference companies on "tiers" of turbos. I have a set of "stage 1" turbos sitting on my shelf that should be able to handle the stock block needs without being a "rod breaker," but with only a $600 difference between these and the GH turbos it begs the question of "do it once and be done with it." We have a stage 2 option ready to go to production with an upgraded turbine as well, but I need another set of cores or my stock turbos to send in. Not quite ready to toss them on a customer for testing yet, but also too slammed with work, work, kids, and house projects to spend time under the car haha.

Waiting on @Jordan_R to come install for me lol.

 

[BweegN]

The main things that I see the GH turbos offering that most others don't is the addition of the upgraded turbine, where CRP, BNR, and others retaining the factory exhaust turbine, which limited efficiency. Would 95% of SHO owners notice the difference on a stock block? not likely, but if you are looking for that 600hp benchmark you'll need it, as I don't think the CRP/BNR turbos will do much more than the 525hp we've seen the stock engine handle.

I'm working with a few difference companies on "tiers" of turbos. I have a set of "stage 1" turbos sitting on my shelf that should be able to handle the stock block needs without being a "rod breaker," but with only a $600 difference between these and the GH turbos it begs the question of "do it once and be done with it." We have a stage 2 option ready to go to production with an upgraded turbine as well, but I need another set of cores or my stock turbos to send in. Not quite ready to toss them on a customer for testing yet, but also too slammed with work, work, kids, and house projects to spend time under the car haha.

Waiting on @Jordan_R to come install for me lol.

Thanks for keeping us all in the loop on this, Lee.
All great information. With all the work I'm putting into my block, if I found my turbos were limiting me to nearly 200hp less than the rest of the engine components I'd be MAAAAAAAD.

 

[802SHO]

The main things that I see the GH turbos offering that most others don't is the addition of the upgraded turbine, where CRP, BNR, and others retaining the factory exhaust turbine, which limited efficiency. Would 95% of SHO owners notice the difference on a stock block? not likely, but if you are looking for that 600hp benchmark you'll need it, as I don't think the CRP/BNR turbos will do much more than the 525hp we've seen the stock engine handle.

I'm working with a few difference companies on "tiers" of turbos. I have a set of "stage 1" turbos sitting on my shelf that should be able to handle the stock block needs without being a "rod breaker," but with only a $600 difference between these and the GH turbos it begs the question of "do it once and be done with it." We have a stage 2 option ready to go to production with an upgraded turbine as well, but I need another set of cores or my stock turbos to send in. Not quite ready to toss them on a customer for testing yet, but also too slammed with work, work, kids, and house projects to spend time under the car haha.

Waiting on @Jordan_R to come install for me lol.

Oof! Jordan been waiting on you and now you’re waiting on him? Well played Sir! Lol! Go right to stage 5 top tier turbos. Stage 5 sounds beastly.

 

[FiveLeeter918]

Oof! Jordan been waiting on you and now you’re waiting on him? Well played Sir! Lol! Go right to stage 5 top tier turbos. Stage 5 sounds beastly.

7 second capable baby! I got the need... the NEED FOR SPEED!

 

[Jordan_R]

Something to think about when sizing these turbos and why I personally won't touch any that leave the turbine housings stock. With the turbine housing being cast and already prone to cracks being at a high wgdc when you upgrade turbos and go to a vendor that increases the size for a bigger turbine it also allows the exhaust side to not have to work as hard to push out the exhaust meaning lower temps on the turbine housing.

Basically making the turbos more reliable. Now I will say though that despite it making them more resistant to cracks that doesn't mean they aren't going to crack down the line still. Haven't seen it in any of the GH turbos, but seems like ATP turbos had a bunch of cracking issues and thus failures. ATP did have quite a bit of issues with failed turbos near the end so that's probably why they pulled the plug.

My GH Gen3 spooled like stock and had the benefit of a proper turbine and compressor upgrade. 3k miles into those I rodded the motor after pushing too much power through those puppies. Now with a built motor and the Gen3R which are actually turbos that can push more than ATPs, albeit probably not much, hoping to push that envelope of stock frame turbos and really torture test these Gen3R. The Gen3 did everything and more than I asked of them so I am sure these Gen3R will do the same.