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TREpaNaTion

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I currently own a 93 MTX, My TOB currently went out and im in the process of working up enough cash to fix that. I have been thinking as well of some other things that I dont exactly know as to whats wrong with it. Im not very mechanically inclined however I do know a few things and am a very fast learner.

First off - When I first purchased this car it ran like a dream and I kept it updated with proper maintinance on it. About 4 to 6 months after buying the car the Cruise Control stopped working. No big deal over all to me but Im curious as to why when this quit working on me, my horn as well no longer works and lastly my air bag light comes on consitantly now. Ive talked to many people and they have thrown a few ideas my way but none of them have seemed solid.

Secondly - I have looked over quite a few of the forums and seen a lot of talk about "WOT" Im curious as to what this term means if anyone could help me. I noticed this when I was reading through a chugging thread of some sort. As what was posted seemed relavent to what was happening with my vehicle as well at times.
Ive been experiencing problems with my car around 4k RPM's that my car would have full accelleration up till this point when i would have it down to the floor and soon as it hit 4k it would litterally send me forward as it lost all power. I noticed however that when it got close to 4k rpm's that if it begins to lose all its power I let off the gas and then ease on it slower puting it back down to towards the floor that it will pick up just a bit slower then it normally would.

Im guessing it could be my secondaries possibly? as someone said but when this happens and it doesn't open how to do you take care of this problem. Further More I as well know for a fact that my throttle cable is good because i just replaced that before my TOB went out on me.

Another Question is that in the future I am going to be looking to start upgrading a little by little as I get the current problems taken care of and such.

My current project is to replace the Clutch, Pressure Plate and TOB. I am as well thinking of in the next year or so placing a Turbo into the car but if im to go that route is what would a good suggestion be as far as the Clutch Upgrades and so on rather then running a stock clutch because from what i have heard they are pretty weak and cant take to much of a beating if you really drive the car a bit harder then most. As well What sort of turbo / Supercharger would you suggest is most cost effective for what it is?

Current Set up - Some sort of Mod Chip - Was Told 30lb injectors? (or something as far as the guy i bought it from said. Then again i could be wrong), K&N, different exhaust set up not sure on exactly what though.

Sorry for the story but im very interested in getting this car running stronger and smoother.

-Trent
 

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TREpaNaTion said:
First off - When I first purchased this car it ran like a dream and I kept it updated with proper maintinance on it. About 4 to 6 months after buying the car the Cruise Control stopped working. No big deal over all to me but Im curious as to why when this quit working on me, my horn as well no longer works and lastly my air bag light comes on consitantly now. Ive talked to many people and they have thrown a few ideas my way but none of them have seemed solid.
My first instinct is the clockspring - did you check for codes?

TREpaNaTion said:
Secondly - I have looked over quite a few of the forums and seen a lot of talk about "WOT" Im curious as to what this term means if anyone could help me. I noticed this when I was reading through a chugging thread of some sort. As what was posted seemed relavent to what was happening with my vehicle as well at times.
WOT = Wide Open Throttle (as in, standing on it).

TREpaNaTion said:
Ive been experiencing problems with my car around 4k RPM's that my car would have full accelleration up till this point when i would have it down to the floor and soon as it hit 4k it would litterally send me forward as it lost all power. I noticed however that when it got close to 4k rpm's that if it begins to lose all its power I let off the gas and then ease on it slower puting it back down to towards the floor that it will pick up just a bit slower then it normally would.

Im guessing it could be my secondaries possibly? as someone said but when this happens and it doesn't open how to do you take care of this problem. Further More I as well know for a fact that my throttle cable is good because i just replaced that before my TOB went out on me.
It could be a few things -- you can visually see the secondaries opening/closing from under the hood....


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My current project is to replace the Clutch, Pressure Plate and TOB. I am as well thinking of in the next year or so placing a Turbo into the car but if im to go that route is what would a good suggestion be as far as the Clutch Upgrades and so on rather then running a stock clutch because from what i have heard they are pretty weak and cant take to much of a beating if you really drive the car a bit harder then most. As well What sort of turbo / Supercharger would you suggest is most cost effective for what it is?
I'll let the professionals chime in for this one. Plus, there is an entire board here devoted to this topic.

Welcome to the forum :cheers:
 

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1. Pull the codes: http://www.shophoenixproject.com/eec/eec.htm

2. Regarding the cruise control, horn and airbag issue, it sounds like you have a problem with the clockspring assembly in the steering wheel. Time to dissasemble things and take a look.

3. WOT = Wide Open Throttle. A problem with the secondaries would not cause the engine to suddenly lose all power. I would initially suspect a fuel delivery issue (clogged filter, weak pump). A fuel pressure test would be a good start.

4. Questions regarding clutch upgrades are better asked in this forum: http://www.shoforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

5. Questions regarding turbos and SCs are better asked in this forum: http://www.shoforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=52
 

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First off where do you live in MN? I am by Forest Lake and will help you out if you want. :thumb: As far as a clutch, If you are serious about boosting it in the near future, my opinion is to get Midwest SHO/Wbody store STAGE 2 clutch kit and get Josh's ceramic TOB :naughty: For your power loss issue, I AGREE, check the fuel system out first. How long has it been since the filter was replaced? What is your pressure? Low/weak? High? I AGREE, sounds like your steering wheel issue is the-clockspring. ALSO, I own a professional shop style scanner and can scan your car, pull code and erase them resetting you check engine light. If you need/want a hand let me/us know. :cheers:
 

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I have not checked the codes yet, Going to put the battery in it tomorrow before I have to go and get my Wisdom Teeth Pulled (yay.... :eek: ) Only Code I had seen that I had taken care of before was 123 TPS above max voltage. I then replaced my TPS and it went away and figured that There was nothing wrong then after words. As well i figured that since it quit flashing other then my airbag light staying on that Everything was okay. but from reading through the link that rockledge gave me I will be trying that out tomorrow if im not to tied up from my Dentist Visit. I feel stupid for asking some of these questions but only one way to learn is by asking them. :bonk:

By chance do any of you have a photo of what a clockspring looks like? or is it right next to the multi function switch in the steering column?

I dont know as well how to check my fuel pressure or what i would need to do so? I will though go purchase a new fuel filter. Im not even remotely sure when the last time it was changed and such.

- 93SS - I am from St. Cloud. I always have wanted to learn how to fix a lot of things as well to know more about working on cars in general but i cant afford to go to school for it and really dont have to many people that i know that have time to help me learn some more things. And up till i just found this site a few days ago i was clueless about a quite a few things. And have learned a **** of a lot already. Im very greatful for that. My main goal at the current time is to have my car driveable by middle of spring or so. Due to lack of funds currently. But that will change soon :)

As well I would like to thank you all who have helped me out so far. I dont trust most mechanics in this area at all because of previous problems with them.

So my list of things
Check -
• Fuel Pump for pressure, and fuel filter for clog
• Run Codes Tests
• Configure where to start with Clockspring and find exact location and cost.

Thanks again guys. It's great to be here :cheers:

-Trent
 

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:thumb: Mom lives in St. Joseph. :biggrin: When you are ready to dig in it for the TOB, clutch let me know. I will come up and walk you though the process if you like. A fuel pressure test kit runs about $30.00-$40.00 at a local auto parts store(will come in handy as it will test many cars). Use the schrader valve on the fuel rail(looks like valve stem for tire). pressure at idle should be 33.5-39psi. What you have fo a list is a good start. :thumb: I had my wisdom teeth pulled last june-really didn't hurt :cheers:
 

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Cool, Ill be sure when i get paid to pick up a Tester. As well the process was easy as **** today didnt hurt really at all... Only thing is... no caffieine, no smoking, no chewing, no sort of nicotine at all... soups for food for a week and lots and lots of vicodine and ibuprophren.

As well thanks for the help. Its very much so greatly appreciated. Tips Water Glass into the Air.
 

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So instead of picking the tester up when i got paid im waiting on my returns to do so as it will get me moving more to getting it back onto the road.

I as well forgot to mention that one of my exhaust pipes is broken. Could that possible be the reason for the the hesitation?

I went and priced a clockspring as well and The Ford Dealer ship in town. they told me $150 for it. Is there any other places that i could find this for cheaper? Sorry for all the questions.
 

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TREpaNaTion said:
I as well forgot to mention that one of my exhaust pipes is broken. Could that possible be the reason for the the hesitation?
Doubtful. Where is the break?

I went and priced a clockspring as well and The Ford Dealer ship in town. they told me $150 for it. Is there any other places that i could find this for cheaper?
Junkyard.
 

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