Mdesign intake

[sticks1680]

Im thinking of getting one vs the Windstorm. I just think the concept is much more in line physics wise. Anyone have any input?

Pohnz-1

 

[sticks1680]

For the record. Just looking to see if anyone is running one and what their opinion is

Pohnz-1

 

[TIHSHO]

I have one. I love it. You can't go wrong.

 

[OmaHahn]

I have one and it's awesome! They already upgraded from the original product with a bigger tube, bigger filter, and 3M Heat Wrap on the inside! Like you said, PHYSICS!!...the air rushes right through it without ANY bends or turns right into the engine! ALL the other CAI's are boxes where it seems the engine has to suck in the air, the MDesign is like a miniature ram-air.

 

[HunterSHO]

What website is the mdesign found on?

 

[SHOdded]

http://www.mdesignperformance.com/shop

 

[LemonScent]

Livernois motorsports actually found a gain of 20 or so horse by swapping out the m design intake on an already tuned car and putting in theirs. The forum is somewhere in this site.

 

[sticks1680]

Yes. But that was an old design. I read it. In all reality, their design looks just like an air raid. Cant argue with that aspect. Nothing against livernois at all. Air intakes arent their bread and butter. Mdesign solely concentrates on intakes and nothing else

Pohnz-1

 

[sticks1680]

Again, this wasnt meant as a whose is better thread. I wanted to see who was running Mdesign. Opinions etc, etc.

Pohnz-1

 

[LemonScent]

Yes. But that was an old design. I read it. In all reality, their design looks just like an air raid. Cant argue with that aspect. Nothing against livernois at all. Air intakes arent their bread and butter. Mdesign solely concentrates on intakes and nothing else

Pohnz-1

Could you elaborate a bit on the new style mdesign intake. I'm interested.

 

[sticks1680]

Mdesign.com

Pohnz-1

 

[sticks1680]

Could you elaborate a bit on the new style mdesign intake. I'm interested.

The physics of the design makes much more sense than anything else out there. Its a straight shot from air scoop which attaches to radiator wall. So to speak. Then an enclosed carbon fiber housing with 3m heatshield to protect against heat soak. Larger cone style filter. Lots of positive SHO reviews from what ive seen

Pohnz-1

 

[peckrul]

Just wondering if heavy rain would be an issue with the MD design that would be my main concern also deep water we get some pretty big puddles here in MI during heavy rains

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[sticks1680]

Without owning yet. I would doubt it. The intake opening is at the top. Water would basically need to be over the grille. So unless youre driving through flooded streets, where you shouldnt be anyways, no problems. At that point , the open box cais will have problems as well

Pohnz-1

 

[MerlinsGarage]

MD CAI sold out.................

 

[MerlinsGarage]

Any thing close to MD that is available now?

 

[SHONufFordTough]

After owning a couple of different cars I have done intakes on, and looking at the "physics" of them, I can tell you that "ram air" is all a bunch of hooey.

Think about it. The amount of air required to feed the engine at full chat is extreme. If you have ever stuck your hand over a intake (or if youre old school enough, a carb) you can feel just how strong the suction is. A engine is, at it's most basic, a air pump. Now counter that with the amount of air the car's speed is pushing thru a realitively small intake hole and you can see that it is not doing much.

The size of the opening at the front of the car would have to be huge to allow any real air pressure to build up. The only way you are going to see any real world gains would be to "ram" enough air into there to actually reduce or eliminate the vacuum inside the inlet. Trying to do this with any sort of realistic inlet, so for example the mdesign inlet that looks to be about 3-4 inches by 6-8 inches, is impossible.

The most important thing about an intake is that it is large enough not eliminate any restriction the factory intake caused, that it's air filter also reduces that restriction, and that it draws fresh air in from outside the car. Being from the show me state, I would have to see in person back to back tests of any of the cold air intakes to believe there was any real world gain between them (more than 3-5 HP).

Edit: Just to be clear, to see any gains you would need to be able to hook up a vacuum gauge on the intake pipe, take a reading at full throttle (which will show alot of vacuum) and then install the intake and do the test again. Your going to need to see significant changes in the vacuum levels to make any real world difference. If you were to attach a box to the front of it measuring say a foot by a foot and then run 100 MPH you might see a significant change.

 

[sticks1680]

After owning a couple of different cars I have done intakes on, and looking at the "physics" of them, I can tell you that "ram air" is all a bunch of hooey.

Think about it. The amount of air required to feed the engine at full chat is extreme. If you have ever stuck your hand over a intake (or if youre old school enough, a carb) you can feel just how strong the suction is. A engine is, at it's most basic, a air pump. Now counter that with the amount of air the car's speed is pushing thru a realitively small intake hole and you can see that it is not doing much.

The size of the opening at the front of the car would have to be huge to allow any real air pressure to build up. The only way you are going to see any real world gains would be to "ram" enough air into there to actually reduce or eliminate the vacuum inside the inlet. Trying to do this with any sort of realistic inlet, so for example the mdesign inlet that looks to be about 3-4 inches by 6-8 inches, is impossible.

The most important thing about an intake is that it is large enough not eliminate any restriction the factory intake caused, that it's air filter also reduces that restriction, and that it draws fresh air in from outside the car. Being from the show me state, I would have to see in person back to back tests of any of the cold air intakes to believe there was any real world gain between them (more than 3-5 HP).

Edit: Just to be clear, to see any gains you would need to be able to hook up a vacuum gauge on the intake pipe, take a reading at full throttle (which will show alot of vacuum) and then install the intake and do the test again. Your going to need to see significant changes in the vacuum levels to make any real world difference. If you were to attach a box to the front of it measuring say a foot by a foot and then run 100 MPH you might see a significant change.

So yer saying intakes are a waste of money?

Pohnz-1

 

[SHONufFordTough]

So yer saying intakes are a waste of money?

Pohnz-1

No, I'm saying ram air in general is nonsense. Any good aftermarket intake should see gains, as it eliminates the factory restrictions etc. But unless one is badly designed they aren't going to produce noticeable gains vs another aftermarket one.

 

[sticks1680]

No, I'm saying ram air in general is nonsense. Any good aftermarket intake should see gains, as it eliminates the factory restrictions etc. But unless one is badly designed they aren't going to produce noticeable gains vs another aftermarket one.

Gotcha. Imop though, this Medesign setup looks more efficient. All the other Cais look the same. Minus the KN

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