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im just wondering if it would help or hurt the power if instead of buying big bore butterflies if i would just machine the opening to a bigger spec or just to how big the bbb,s and then just leave the stock butterflies in with a gap around the butterfly when closed. i know it would help top end poer but how much would it affect low end?
 

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It's not a big deal, even when stock they have a gap.

In my opinion, with other modifications, the created gap with stock plates in big bore butterflies will help your low end by allowing a tad bit more air flow that everyone is looking for on the low end.
 

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I took mine to a machine shop and had them machined out. I believe it is 40mm. You can use 40mm plates from a weber card. I have also heard of people grinding the stop downa little so the stock plates go more perpendicular to the opening to cover more area. Or I have heard of people just leaving the stock plates and doing nothing. You will want to remove the horns.
 

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i coulda swore it was 38mm ?

IIRC 40mm on stock housings would leave you with a wall thickness equivalent to that of a piece of paper.

but i dont have my dial calipers here right now, so i cant confirm.
 

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It is 40mm.

If you are going to do it you need to have the enlarged butterflies. The gap is only to allow clearance so you do not get binding. Too much gap and you will loose the low end as SHOs with no butterflies are slugs on the low end.

The butterflies we do are CNC machined with laser cut butterflies so you know you are getting a good quality product.
 

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It is 40mm.

If you are going to do it you need to have the enlarged butterflies. The gap is only to allow clearance so you do not get binding. Too much gap and you will loose the low end as SHOs with no butterflies are slugs on the low end.

The butterflies we do are CNC machined with laser cut butterflies so you know you are getting a good quality product.

FWIW, My 89 had its Butterflies stuck open due to a Massive hole in one of the Vacumme lines. I drove like that for god knows how long. Once it was Fixed...I felt a difference, But not THAT Much of a difference. I'm considering removing the Butterflies off my track car. I bet a Full Bolt on SHO with removed Butterflies would not loose or gain much power for that matter.... Unless you have data to prove me wrong that is.

-Sam
 
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It is 40mm.

If you are going to do it you need to have the enlarged butterflies. The gap is only to allow clearance so you do not get binding. Too much gap and you will loose the low end as SHOs with no butterflies are slugs on the low end.

The butterflies we do are CNC machined with laser cut butterflies so you know you are getting a good quality product.

Matt, the original set of SS BBB's were 42mm not 40mm. 42mm were found to be to thin and could warp (bend) under the clamoing pressure of the connector.

Im glad to see that they are NOW Cnc'd with matching plates, I know the first 50 sets of butterflies that I sold Kurt and Mike for this were just over sized bores and used with stock plates.

Also the issue with binding and stops... The plates if done correctly should not be round, they should be oblonged like a egg, also the edges of the plates should have a bevel on them cut on the bottom front of one side and the top back on the other side.. If done correctly like from the factory the plates seal the bore and they dont rely on the stops.

As far as not running them Matt is right, in low rpm starts you will notice a slight power loss, but that is only untill the car gets rolling.. Sam in autocross where your in a gear where your RPMs are not at 1000-1800 you would be all set if you did not want to run them..

Whoever buys oversized BBB's just look at them.. if they are sealed around the bore then you have a good peice, if you can see a little light it wont be bad, if you see lots of light then your add extra air with no fuel and will become boggy for a few seconds (or less)

IIRC when I did my white 91 back in 03 I did a set larger then the original SS ones, i was looking at them on one of my wooden benches at about a foot off the bench and dropped it, and it made one of the tubes look like a pringle potato chip.

in short if someone sell a good product stick with it!
 

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The ones I used (per a shoforum post) were from a 40mm Weber Carb. They were ordered from a guy overseas pretty cheap. Unfortunatly it was 3-4 years ago and I dont have his contact info any longer. However, a search should render the info, thats where I got it from. Other people have said that pretty much any 40mm carb plate will work, u just may have to make small alterations....slight edge gringding...drilling so the screw holes line up....but nothing very difficult.
any carb?
 

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I have a set of those weber carb'd plates. They are just sitting in my garage! I wouldn't run 40mm bored butterflies with stock plates. Do it right the first time.
 

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Whoever buys oversized BBB's just look at them..

if you see lots of light then your add extra air with no fuel and will become boggy for a few seconds (or less)

How can the butterfly plates add more air to what has passed through the MAF sensor, being accounted for the air to fuel ratio already?


The fact is, the extra price you pay to have these full sized plates installed have no dyno proof to back them up and justify the cost. There also is no valid proof to back up that using stock plates with BBB's will reduce power.
 

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How can the butterfly plates add more air to what has passed through the MAF sensor, being accounted for the air to fuel ratio already?


The fact is, the extra price you pay to have these full sized plates installed have no dyno proof to back them up and justify the cost. There also is no valid proof to back up that using stock plates with BBB's will reduce power.

I believe kirk is refering to computer tip in response being distrubed. A large gap changes the tune of the engine when it comes to these BBB.
 

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