MAJOR problems with my SHO !

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MailManMike

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I have an 89 SHO and it has been running strange lately. my car has been running unusually cool so i checked into it . i saw some posts on here about how my thermostat could be locked open causing my engine to run cool. i have also been getting bad gas mileage. well, i pulled the thermo. off and boiled it and it opened up perfectly fine.but to twist this all around my transmission fluid is cooking pretty fast. i replaced the transmission and fluid around 8 months ago and i checked it today and it was dark gray and low. i figure this would be because the transmission is overheating and cooking the tranny fluid and expanding the metal so it would leak.all of this puzzles me because the car reads on the coolant gauge to where the pin is on the "L" on normal all the time. why would my tranny fluid be getting so dirty so soon and my car be getting bad gas mileage?
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Although I don't know the answer, I can tell you that I'm having pretty much the same problem with mine. One hot day the tranny blew and fluid went everywhere. Now just idling in the driveway causes the fluid to smoke. I had a mechanic look at it, and he said that when he dropped the pan, it was full of metal. Exactly where this metal came from, I don't know, but I can only assume it was the cause of the heat. I'm getting a remanned tranny, and I can only suggest the same for you. I also plan to put a tranmission coolant system on it. It's one nightmare that I don't want to go through EVER again.
 

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I assume that you both have an ATX? If that is the case than I cant help you there.

But for the engine temp problem, it may be the ECT sender for the gauge. It can go bad and cause the gauge to read lower/higher than the actual engine coolant temperature.
 

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MOSHO92:
I assume that you both have an ATX? If that is the case than I cant help you there.

But for the engine temp problem, it may be the ECT sender for the gauge. It can go bad and cause the gauge to read lower/higher than the actual engine coolant temperature.
A bad ECT will cause it to read warm because the motor IS actually very warm. When the ECT goes bad, the motor throws in more fuel to heat the motor up, but it does not stop once the motor is warm. You would recieve crappy gas milage and delayed fan turn on.

<small>[ March 25, 2004, 03:03 AM: Message edited by: yamahaSHO ]</small>
 

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All 1989 SHOs had a manual transaxle so any maladies affecting that transaxle would not be the same as those troubling an automatic box.

The thermostat usually fails by not fully closing. The hot water test will show whether or not it opens, but you need to verify that the moving emmber is pressed against the seal when cooled. Even a slight sliver of light that can be seen through the seating area can prevent the engine from reaching the normal operating tempetaure range on cooler days.

As long as the gauge needle is getting into the band defining the NORMAL range, the temperature is condered to be normal. The 180F thermostat originally equipped with the 3.0L engine will have the gauge needle point to the "AL" or even lower area of the range. If your gauge reads on the "L" then it is in fact normal. Mine reads just below the "L" at the 180F opening temperature of the thermostat.

The 190F thermostat supplied with the 3.2L will normally position the needle around the "MA" part of the scale.

If the needle is not reaching the NORMAL range after about 3-5 minutes of engine operation, or at times drops below the low tick mark of the NORMAL range, the thermostat should be replaced. Poor fuel mileage will result from a cold running engine if the temperature does not rise enough to allow the engine control system to enter the "closed loop" mode of operation.

Even if the temperature is correct, tired, old oxygen sensors can cause a similar mileage penalty. The O2 sensors should be replaced at the same intervals as the spark plugs or every 60,000 miles in the SHO's case. The O2 sensors will age and cause slow rich/lean switching without setting an error code or causing an illumination of the CHECK ENGINE light.

The manual transaxle (MTX) is most likely leaking from one or more of the *********** seals (in order of likelyhood): output (axle) shafts, shift shaft or input shaft. The MTX rarely leaks from the gasketless ****** mating surfaces no matter how hot it has been.

The darkening of the fluid is not a good sign. What fluid have you been installing and to what level have you been filling the casing? Since little heat is generated in the transaxle during normal operation, the darkening of the fluid indicates there is likely damage already suffered in the internal works. If a cause of the fluid darkening is not identified, a removal, disassembly and refurbishment of the transaxle in the near future would be in order before a catastrophic failure should occur.

Any other information you could provide may help us give you a better idea of what you may be facing.
 

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Ditto what Scott said. The tranny has nothing to do with the coolant temp. Other than temperatures inherently absorbed by metal case of the tranny from the motor and input shaft, the tranny stays basically very cool on the MTX trans. I've yet to pick up over 100° on mine in the short amount of time my tranny temp sensor has been installed.

Now, the tranny fluid. The low fluid level would be caused more than likely by the seals that Scott mentioned. Take a look to see if there are any wet spots on the trans, specifically around where the halfshafts enter the trans and where the shifter attaches to the shift shaft. You'll have to pull the boot back to get a good view of that seal.

For fluid to burn that fast it would have to generate a lot of heat. Bearings would be my first thought on this as they are small. They rely on the trans fluid splash to lubricate them so if the fluid level has gone low then they could essentially be burning up. It would be a good idea for you to top this trans off like pronto. You might get lucky. You really should consider dropping the trans though and having a peak inside to see what's up.

<small>[ March 25, 2004, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: Bizzy ]</small>
 

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