Loss of power, stutters, backfires at low rpm

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This problem has been going on for a year or two.

After starting the car, the engine idles fine. When I start to give gas and let up the clutch from 1st gear, the car goes nowhere. I experience loss of power, stuttering, and what sounds like backfiring (but not loud, like a popping sound, or the "glup" sound you here when a large bubble of air is released under water and starts to rise).

This will persist until I work the clutch and the gas to get the rpms above say 2,000 to 2,500.

Once the rpms are above that, car runs fine and I can move through all the gears. When slowing down to a stop, car runs fine and idles fine at stop. But when I attempt to move from a stopped position the same thing happens. :confused:

Now I learned that if I shut the engine off ONCE, the problem goes away and the car runs fine at all rpms. This worked EVERYTIME! :D

.. until now. madflame

Now, I may have to shut the car off two times in a row to get it to behave properly. shrug

I did a search and came up with some ideas.

But in computer parlance, when you shut something down and restart and the problem goes away or you encounter another problem, you have an "initialization" problem where the variables that should be reset to their default/base values (or set to zero) are not.

In this case that could only mean the computer. But I get no codes and I've cleaned and checked every electrical connection. I'm starting to replace vacuum lines, but I don't know enough about the vacuum system at this point to investigate further.

I thought it might be the camshaft sensor, since the seal was leaking oil. I replaced the sensor and seal and there is no leakage and I made sure I hooked up the camshaft sensor properly.

How about bad crankshaft sensor?

Any ideas and thought would be appreciated.

1989, MTX, stock (with minor additions), 282,000 miles,
plugs and wires are relatively new at 10K ago.
 

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Unplug your MAP/BARO sensor and try again.

If no difference, reconnect it, then repeat for the MAF sensor.

Steve
 

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The SHO Phoenix Project was doing exactly the same thing. The problem was oil in the plug wells causing a bad misfire down low, above 3k it ran great. An upper 60k did the trick.
 

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A gentlemen in AZ was having the same problem, as am I. His problem was plug wires (he had a pinhole spark leak). I'm hoping thats the case for mine. I will be replacing them soon. If you have oil in the plug wells it will cause similar symptoms.
 

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AutoSHO:
A gentlemen in AZ was having the same problem, as am I. His problem was plug wires (he had a pinhole spark leak). I'm hoping thats the case for mine. I will be replacing them soon. If you have oil in the plug wells it will cause similar symptoms.
ditto on the plug wires. My 89' had very similar symptoms. New plugs and wires solved the problem. I would stick with the oem wires (fordpartsnetwork.com) and always the oem platium spark plugs.
 

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smithsil:
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A gentlemen in AZ was having the same problem, as am I. His problem was plug wires (he had a pinhole spark leak). I'm hoping thats the case for mine. I will be replacing them soon. If you have oil in the plug wells it will cause similar symptoms.
ditto on the plug wires. My 89' had very similar symptoms. New plugs and wires solved the problem. I would stick with the oem wires (fordpartsnetwork.com) and always the oem platium spark plugs.
What about the AC Delco wires and Denso double platinum? Those seem to work very well and are OEM fit.
 

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The delco wires work well for an OEM replacement as long as you replace the valve cover gaskets along with them. I found that they did not seal against my front cover when I reused my gaskets.

The denso plugs... Should be fine. Are they OEM height?

You will not find many of the AGSP32PPs around anymore. They have been superceded by the Fine Wire AGSP32FMF6 plugs. I did not want to spend $7/plug for an unknown lifespan item.
 

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AutoSHO:
The delco wires work well for an OEM replacement as long as you replace the valve cover gaskets along with them. I found that they did not seal against my front cover when I reused my gaskets.

The denso plugs... Should be fine. Are they OEM height?

You will not find many of the AGSP32PPs around anymore. They have been superceded by the Fine Wire AGSP32FMF6 plugs. I did not want to spend $7/plug for an unknown lifespan item.
Good tip. Yes they are the OEM height. Also the Motorcraft ones are cheaper at this time, if you can find them.
 

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JDLangevin:
smithsil:
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A gentlemen in AZ was having the same problem, as am I. His problem was plug wires (he had a pinhole spark leak). I'm hoping thats the case for mine. I will be replacing them soon. If you have oil in the plug wells it will cause similar symptoms.
ditto on the plug wires. My 89' had very similar symptoms. New plugs and wires solved the problem. I would stick with the oem wires (fordpartsnetwork.com) and always the oem platium spark plugs.
What about the AC Delco wires and Denso double platinum? Those seem to work very well and are OEM fit.
I imagine if the AC delco are oem quality/fit they they would be fine, ive just heard most of the aftermarket wires have fitment (trouble staying on) problems. Where do you buy these AC delco wires Josh?


The delco wires work well for an OEM replacement as long as you replace the valve cover gaskets along with them. I found that they did not seal against my front cover when I reused my gaskets.

The denso plugs... Should be fine. Are they OEM height?

You will not find many of the AGSP32PPs around anymore. They have been superceded by the Fine Wire AGSP32FMF6 plugs. I did not want to spend $7/plug for an unknown lifespan item.
To my knowledge, forpartsnetwork.com still carries the OEM AGSP32PPs, but I haven’t purchased plugs from them in a while. At least there is still a listing on their site:
6-AGSP32FM Motorcraft Spark plug set $23.94
 

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Those wires are the correct fit, they can be seen on the site. Also they are available from Rockauto. They're like $40 or something.

As far as I know FPN still carries the Motorcraft plugs.
 

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Thanks to all.

I'll try the ideas mentioned about the MAP/BARO and the MAF.

Regarding plugs and wires, I did them about 20K ago and used stock Motorcraft replacements for plugs and wires for the '89.

I did have oil in the wells when I replaced them. But this time when I installed the new wires, I used gasket sealing compound between the valve cover and the rectangular piece of rubber on the plug wire. This way no oil would leak through this gap from oil appearing on the valve cover surface that leaks through the valve cover bolt gaskets.

I'll pull the wires anyway and take a look.

Also, where can you buy/find those rubber bushings / gaskets / washers that sit under the chrome washers on the valve covers. I need to replace them because that's where some oil leaks through that ends up on the valve cover surface.

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