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[SubCool]

Ok, Now to catch up.
I am having a new problem.
I replaced the CPS.

and now the car has spark. its cranking.. and there is fuel through the lines.. with pressure. But the car wont turn over. All it does is crank.
SO now what?
I dont have any of the accessories on. im afraid to put it all on, and than have to take them off. The belts are off, its open to only the timing belt.

What could be the issue?

WIll
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[93rev2sev]

Massive vacuum leak or bad cam timing(timing belt).

 

[Electricat]

I'll second the timing belt theory.

 

[Mr95Gl]

Ok, Now to catch up.
I am having a new problem.
I replaced the CPS.

and now the car has spark. its cranking.. and there is fuel through the lines.. with pressure. But the car wont turn over. All it does is crank.
SO now what?
I dont have any of the accessories on. im afraid to put it all on, and than have to take them off. The belts are off, its open to only the timing belt.

What could be the issue?

WIll
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Did you gap the CPS?

 

[SubCool]

I dont have the tool to measure it.
I put it on once, Cranked it a couple times to see how it was. Adjusted it. Than cranked it a couple times again, so see how it was. Adjusted it. And now it is perfect. In my opinion. Its just about in the middle between the top and bottom of the sensor. Enough to Just barely, not get hit on the top or the bottom.
Either way, if it was the CPS, the car is now sparking. SO i should atleast get a shutter or something from a G'ed up fire or something. Its not ever doing that. Today i am going to take the timing belt off again, and try to align it again. I think i might go buy a POS SHO, i saw online for parts. but i want to get this going first.

 

[SubCool]

Ok... Thanks for the helps guys.

Im back to normal.

The CPS was the Culprit. And one heck of a pain in the @ss.
I have to buy a few things, but now comes the rest.
The timing belt was also a killer. But, now we are good.
next.. Moving the batter, installing the MSD, rod bearings, enclosure for the Cone filter, Sound system. Putting my passenger door back on, Turning the interior from tan to black.
wow, great..
to be doen mostly need weekend.

 

[SubCool]

So, going back to my head ache.
The car has new gas. Been run for a few miles. And im Backfiring at idle.
Seems fine while i drive it. But i don't understand the backfire. Tomorrow i am changing the oil, and the O2 sensors.
What else could be up? I do have to take off most of the stuff again to put the timing belt cover on. But, i don't get it? I put the time belt on exactly aligned with the dots, and the markers. I see how on the bottom timing belt cover there is a spot to check the timing with a timing light. But if it is off. How do you fix it?
I also successfully installed the MSD system. Works a bit better if u ask me. I was going to mess with the settings, but first i was hoping to get the rest figured out.

Thanks guys

 

[SubCool]

I Went at it again today.
And i can not understand it. When i have to car running for a lil, or if i go around the block, it backfires MORE. It kinda seems to be consistant occasional backfire while driving. As i come closer to 4k, it works better. But if i up shift, and put a load on it, It starts to buck a bit. I am a bit nervous about this.
I have read a bunch of the threads. And i am seeing a weird assortment of fixes to different issues. I believe i can explain my issues a bit better now, but im still hesitant.
I believe that with consistant backfiring im having, its the timing belt. But, Every time i am certain about something. Im totally off.
Tomorrow, im going to autozone to get some codes. But i have just installed the MSD system, so i dont now how that may affect it.
If anyone has any insight, or specific questions you would like the answers to, please ask. I am being a bit vague, but i dont know where to focus my attention.

Will

 

[SolidState]

I had a timing problem last week. here is how you can check it.

there is two notches on the harmonic balancer. They are located on the inner lip of the front belt (6 rib) drive. Using a larger breaker bar on the crank bolt, line the second notch (or the notch on the right when facing the front of the motor from the passenger side fender) with the '0' on the plastic lower timing cover. Note that there is a '10' and a '0'. Make sure it is aligned perfectly with '0'.

Next, remove the cross over tube, loosen then rear accessory belt and remove it from the waterpump pulley. Remove the upper timing cover.

Now, the two dots on the cam sprockets MUST be aligned with the timing marks on the rear metal timing cover. If they aren't, the car isn't in time.

Hope this helps.

 

[SubCool]

My step father doesnt believe it is the timing, but someone stole my rachet set.
So. i took it for a ride.
The Car was acting SOO messed up. Like Really bad, worse than before. It was cutting out, stalling out. backfiring like crazy. So i got some help, getting it back. THe car was pushing out a lot of smoke, and i had to keep it in the high revs just to keep it up enough so it wouldnt cut out again. Even the Tach was jumping, (my msd should have that inoperable- i havent install the tach yet)
So i got it home, and let it sit. The engine was running hot. The temp was abnormally high. SO i let it run, thinking it might clear out a bit. Than i see smoke coming out like crazy, so i stare into the engine to see what is going on. The Cat was RED and boiling something. I threw the car up in record time, ripped the wheel off, and started looking around. It appears that the cat got so hot, it made the boot on the axel .. thing bubble out, and the fluid spewed out and onto the cat.

So, now that i am in a mess up to my ears. PLEASE Help. I have to get this working before Fri.

HOw do i repair the boot? I was under the influence from a while ago, you cant repair the boot, well to the extant that i have. If Anyone needs pics, movies.. ill do my best to supply them. I have instant notifications. applied.
I also have a net rachet set, fuel line presure tester, and compression tester on the way.

 

[Devin]

You don't repair the boot you replace it. However to get the boot off and repack the grease on the bearings you are looking at a decent amount of work. You could get an inexpensive remanned half shaft set and replacing it would more than likely be quicker.

Your biggest problem is finding out if your cats are plugged and why your car is running so bad.

Did you ever check the timing?

If you need the boot, I can mail you a set. I bought it years ago and have never used it.

 

[93rev2sev]

I second replacing the halfshaft. It will be about $70 at a chain store like autozone or CSK.

As for the engine running so poorly and so hot, I would expect to find advanced cam timing. Like the timing gear on the crank is off a tooth. This would open the exhaust valves early and allow combustion gasses in to the exhaust where they continue to burn. You will probably need new cats.

 

[SolidState]

that could be a plugged cat.

 

[SubCool]

Ok, My mini update.

I tried to check the timing, but someone (my uncle) stole my Socket Set. But, the car basically idles fine. My Step father says if the timing was even a lil off, it'd be doing a lot more kicking and backfiring than it is. I Just got done driving it up the road about 15 miles. Its backfiring a bit, but only when i start off on a gear, or if i jump on it.
But the car is definitely holding back on power. And I think I am using a lot of gas. I put in 9 gallons 2 days ago, Drove.. maybe 10 miles total. 4-5 hours of idle. And, now my light is on. Comes and goes… but it is on. The Temp is a bit high, more towards the O.
Im not sure what else to mention. I tried to pull codes, but for some reason my code reader wont read. I think it has something to do with my MSD system. I think I read about that once. But I forgot and cant find the thread.

 

[SolidState]

MSD...coil pack? I couldn't see that effecting gas mileage.

FWIW, my car out of time one tooth on one cam ran and idled fine. In fact, if you didn't know the car well enough, you'd think it was fine. Although, it did run a little hotter.

 

[ilikepoultry]

my car had similar problems after replacing my Crank sensor
it turns out it was gapped incorrectly, and you cannot do it by looking at it
i know it sounds like a pain in the butt, but go to autozone and buy a feeler gauge set, then pull the whole thing down to the crank sensor and re-gap it
also make sure to clean the ground on the coil pack and also the grounds for the DIS (the metal around where the bolts go)
these all helped to fix my problem - when it ran
(it didn't run once we just about had it all fixed, but that was because all engine grounds went to **** all at once)

 

[SubCool]

MSD...coil pack? I couldn't see that effecting gas mileage.

FWIW, my car out of time one tooth on one cam ran and idled fine. In fact, if you didn't know the car well enough, you'd think it was fine. Although, it did run a little hotter.

I have a MSD DIS-4

 

[SolidState]

ah, the DIS. just out of curiosity, why did you choose to use this?

 

[SubCool]

my car had similar problems after replacing my Crank sensor
it turns out it was gapped incorrectly, and you cannot do it by looking at it
i know it sounds like a pain in the butt, but go to autozone and buy a feeler gauge set, then pull the whole thing down to the crank sensor and re-gap it
also make sure to clean the ground on the coil pack and also the grounds for the DIS (the metal around where the bolts go)
these all helped to fix my problem - when it ran
(it didn't run once we just about had it all fixed, but that was because all engine grounds went to **** all at once)

I dont mind going through the system and cleaning out the grounds, if i know where most of them are. I do know where the DIS and coilpack are. So thats a peice of cake. But you are right about the CPS. Unfortunetly for me, i have to go there anyways. But i am still waiting on a few things before i go there. I would like to try Other methods to fix the car if i could. But i dont understand how a badly placed CPS can make the car backfire occasionally. Seems like i have a list of things to fix at the moment.

My mini list.

Windshield Wipers motor (for some reason, they wont move. But the Squirters work)
Exhaust Headers, and Cats - or Straight Y
Fuel Pump
Possibly Injectors. - They are probably one of the newest parts on the car, but came with it when i got the car in 02.

THose are the things on my mind.

Well that really seems like it for now. Thats just to get the car going, and keep it going till the next thing dies.

 

[SubCool]

ah, the DIS. just out of curiosity, why did you choose to use this?

Other than it is the only thing nearly available for the taurus.
the ability to control the ignition. I plan on upgrading other parts. And thought it would ensure a healthy spark, and i heard how bad the stock rev limiter is bad.