LMS vs Gearhead "Canned Tunes" Comparison

[OmaHahn]

No as long as it is run in anger long enough, often enough, it shouldn't be a problem.

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LOL! I was just going to reply and ask about WOT runs!! I seem to find my foot in the gas to the floor at least once every day!

 

[mattr66]

I am very sorry to hear about the thermostat. I've had one in my own personal vehicle for years so I can tell you this is not a common occurrence. If it's over a year old it is out of warranty unfortunately. If you'd be interested in getting a replacement let me know and I can always speak with management to see what we can do to help out.

Also if you guys are still running the v11 tune and have any issues with the 1-2 or 2-3 shift type of stuff there's an update we released a while back now that should take care of those issues. Please PM or email me your info including the tuner serial and I'll make sure you guys are up to date with the latest updated tunes.



Remember we originally sold the 170, and it definitely did not drop only 10 degrees. Most cars would never get warmer than 170, which made us look into the thermostats a bit more. We found them starting to open far before the advertised 170 temp, which explained why the cars ran colder than intended. As for carbon build up, no, 10* cht has little to no impact on carbon build up. If so emissions tests would happen at high engine temps only. Something that hasn't been the case in over 20 years. But are there other things at play with engine temps being too low? Absolutely

I hate the fact that the gen2 runs so hot but I was told besides the efficiency gains, it was also done to prevent the carbon buildup in the top ring gap that causes failures on higher mileage engines that weren't run at WOT often enough.

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[SM105K]

No offense to LMS or GearHead, but I feel Ford probably understands the concepts and reasoning behind the T-stat in our cars more then anyone. I feel the very minimal power gains aren't worth running the motor out of temp spec for the rotating assembly.

 

[mattr66]

No offense to LMS or GearHead, but I feel Ford probably understands the concepts and reasoning behind the T-stat in our cars more then anyone. I feel the very minimal power gains aren't worth running the motor out of temp spec for the rotating assembly.

There will always be compromises by the OEM... I've stated my reason for wanting to run colder... Once you start cranking power up thermal management becomes an issue. **** the gen1 f150 has problems with thermal management bone stock when towing at rated capacity...

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[SM105K]

There will always be compromises by the OEM... I've stated my reason for wanting to run colder... Once you start cranking power up thermal management becomes an issue. **** the gen1 f150 has problems with thermal management bone stock when towing at rated capacity...

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Get that, I just dont believe the minimal gains are worth it.

 

[MHW100]

No as long as it is run in anger long enough, often enough, it shouldn't be a problem.

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I guess that's why there haven't been any issues with the 160 stat from LMS over all of these years.

 

[mattr66]

I guess that's why there haven't been any issues with the 160 stat from LMS over all of these years.

I've never seen a car with one of their thermos so if what they say is true, all is well.

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[SHOdded]

LME has stated time & again that the Ecoboost engine was designed to run most efficiently at around 140F, but due to emissions regulations, the stock temp is set much higher. So it all comes down to engine management in the tune. More important are fan operation tuning and added oil/trans cooling.

 

[SM105K]

LME has stated time & again that the Ecoboost engine was designed to run most efficiently at around 140F, but due to emissions regulations, the stock temp is set much higher. So it all comes down to engine management in the tune. More important are fan operation tuning and added oil/trans cooling.

LME? Late Model Engines?

140F? I will love for LME to product the evidence/literature of that.

 

[StealBlueSho]

LME? Late Model Engines?

140F? I will love for LME to product the evidence/literature of that.

I wouldn’t trust a damn thing LMS/LME puts into the ether without proof. Back it up with data please.


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[mrhighcaliber]

I would trust a damn thing LMS/LME puts into the ether without proof. Back it up with data please.


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YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

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[4sfed]

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

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Quoting Daffy Duck from "Looney Tunes, Back in Action"! Sweet!


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[mrhighcaliber]

Quoting Daffy Duck from "Looney Tunes, Back in Action"! Sweet!


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Great movie!

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[SHOdded]

LME? Late Model Engines?

140F? I will love for LME to product the evidence/literature of that.

Talk to them directly. Some things they only show you in person, trade secrets etc.

LME = Livernois Motorsports Engineering
They changed to this moniker some time ago.

 

[SM105K]

Talk to them directly. Some things they only show you in person, trade secrets etc.

LME = Livernois Motorsports Engineering
They changed to this moniker some time ago.

That is interesting. I have no reason to call them and try to talk them about something that is not realistic in real life. I just have a hard believing that at 140 that is where these are the most efficient. Sounds like glory pass material and very short lived rotating assembly life.

As for my opinion on LMS after the V11 debacle, I wouldn't let them tune my lawn mower.

 

[StealBlueSho]

That is interesting. I have no reason to call them and try to talk them about something that is not realistic in real life. I just have a hard believing that at 140 that is where these are the most efficient. Sounds like glory pass material and very short lived rotating assembly life.

As for my opinion on LMS after the V11 debacle, I wouldn't let them tune my lawn mower.

To be fair... mines a honda... they wont tune honda's... I do have an email in to Gearhead however..

 

[SM105K]

TO BE FAIRRRRRRRR!

Letterkenny....lol. Watch it.

Disclaimer: I don't have a lawnmower.

 

[mrhighcaliber]

To be fair... mines a honda... they wont tune honda's... I do have an email in to Gearhead however..

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I've got the same Honda mower. Great minds my guy...great minds

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[StealBlueSho]

Its a good mower thus far.. my Husqvarna motor finally died after 6 years... this one moves! My neighbor was laughing causes I was literally running behind it to keep up.

Oh.. and I "fit" it in the trunk of the SHO.. hung out a bit.. but fit.. (ish)

 

[MHW100]

That is interesting. I have no reason to call them and try to talk them about something that is not realistic in real life. I just have a hard believing that at 140 that is where these are the most efficient. Sounds like glory pass material and very short lived rotating assembly life.

As for my opinion on LMS after the V11 debacle, I wouldn't let them tune my lawn mower.

Is there evidence to support the 170 is better or worse than the 160 on this particular engine?