LMS 3 bar V11 93 bounces off rev limiter

[Lostneye]

I've had this issue 2 times on the 1-2 shift, both were recently after uploading the tune and have done WOT pulls since without issue. At the time I thought it was the car learning the tune again.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

There are currently two threads about this... it’s getting confusing as LMS is responding to both.... here is the current information. LMS believes they have a fix for it, just PM them with your info and say your having the shifting problem... more info here...

LMS vs Gearhead "Canned Tunes" Comparison
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=156498&share_tid=138578&url=https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/LMS-vs-Gearhead-"Canned-Tunes"-Comparison.138578/&share_type=t



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Yes as said here anyone with an issue needs to contact us through pm or over the phone my name is cody and ill help get this done asap for anyone who needs it just prvoide us with the following:
-First and last name
-serial number of the device (located on the box or the back of the device)
-explaining your exact problem and what gear is having the issue

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I've had this issue 2 times on the 1-2 shift, both were recently after uploading the tune and have done WOT pulls since without issue. At the time I thought it was the car learning the tune again.

The 1-2 shift is a completely different issue, that is either the tires spinning or you need to add some fluid and turn tc off, the 1-2 shift is well known and that is just how the car responds to certain situations its put under

 

[2015_SHO_PP]

Yes as said here anyone with an issue needs to contact us through pm or over the phone my name is cody and ill help get this done asap for anyone who needs it just prvoide us with the following:
-First and last name
-serial number of the device (located on the box or the back of the device)
-explaining your exact problem and what gear is having the issue

Will be giving you guys a buzz in the morning

 

[tech10002]

No luck on the latest tune update. I drove for probably 25 miles or so semi aggressively. The shuddering and tach fluttering seemed to be fixed, and it seemed to shift consistently a little over 6k RPM, but I tried a WOT downshift in drive to pass, and it went into neutral I think. It went past 6700 RPM with the tach turning red, and it really was bouncing off the rev limiter hard this time. The whole car shook when I let off and it finally went back in gear. It was making all kinds of nasty noises. Maybe solenoids chattering? Scared the sh*t out of me. I thought the transmission let go.

I’ve put it back to stock in a parking lot, and it’s driving fine now, so I don’t think any permanent damage is done. I think I’m gonna leave it stock. I don’t want to destroy my car by further experimenting. From reading other threads, it seems this slipping out of gear behavior has happened to others too. There must be some difference in a small number of SHOs that makes them not happy on the LMS v11 tune. I will say that LMS is trying to figure it out. I wish I was closer to them so they could see it in person.

By the way, I found out what it does when you go back to stock and leave the 3 bar installed. The instrument cluster lights up like a Christmas tree with errors and it will barely idle. Took me a minute to figure out I had forgot to change it. Lol

 

[SHOdded]

Probably the right decision in this case. I am sure LME will get it figured out.

Need a tune that detects the installed MAP, like Gearhead has for auto octane adjustment.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

No luck on the latest tune update. I drove for probably 25 miles or so semi aggressively. The shuddering and tach fluttering seemed to be fixed, and it seemed to shift consistently a little over 6k RPM, but I tried a WOT downshift in drive to pass, and it went into neutral I think. It went past 6700 RPM with the tach turning red, and it really was bouncing off the rev limiter hard this time. The whole car shook when I let off and it finally went back in gear. It was making all kinds of nasty noises. Maybe solenoids chattering? Scared the sh*t out of me. I thought the transmission let go.

I’ve put it back to stock in a parking lot, and it’s driving fine now, so I don’t think any permanent damage is done. I think I’m gonna leave it stock. I don’t want to destroy my car by further experimenting. From reading other threads, it seems this slipping out of gear behavior has happened to others too. There must be some difference in a small number of SHOs that makes them not happy on the LMS v11 tune. I will say that LMS is trying to figure it out. I wish I was closer to them so they could see it in person.

By the way, I found out what it does when you go back to stock and leave the 3 bar installed. The instrument cluster lights up like a Christmas tree with errors and it will barely idle. Took me a minute to figure out I had forgot to change it. Lol

Hey there sorry your having issues. In terms of this issue, there are tons of cars out there that shift no problem. Most of the cars that don't shift is usually due to trans fluid issues and a fill fixes them. Some of the cars have clutches that can't handle the extra power. Unfortunately not all transmissions are created equally. I think the best thing to do would be to create a tune for the cars that can't shift and dial the power back. No one wants to hear that but its reality. Let us know if you want a tune that has the power dialed back.

 

[OmaHahn]

No luck on the latest tune update. I drove for probably 25 miles or so semi aggressively. The shuddering and tach fluttering seemed to be fixed, and it seemed to shift consistently a little over 6k RPM, but I tried a WOT downshift in drive to pass, and it went into neutral I think. It went past 6700 RPM with the tach turning red, and it really was bouncing off the rev limiter hard this time. The whole car shook when I let off and it finally went back in gear. It was making all kinds of nasty noises. Maybe solenoids chattering? Scared the sh*t out of me. I thought the transmission let go.

I’ve put it back to stock in a parking lot, and it’s driving fine now, so I don’t think any permanent damage is done. I think I’m gonna leave it stock. I don’t want to destroy my car by further experimenting. From reading other threads, it seems this slipping out of gear behavior has happened to others too. There must be some difference in a small number of SHOs that makes them not happy on the LMS v11 tune. I will say that LMS is trying to figure it out. I wish I was closer to them so they could see it in person.

By the way, I found out what it does when you go back to stock and leave the 3 bar installed. The instrument cluster lights up like a Christmas tree with errors and it will barely idle. Took me a minute to figure out I had forgot to change it. Lol

Funny about the 3 bar! I flashed to stock one time and also forgot but mine idled fine. I even pulled out of the driveway and put it into D and holy crap! What happened? Oh yeah, forgot the 3 bar! Ha!

 

[SM105K]

Most tuners offer a stock 3 bar tune......FYI.

 

[shoblock]

Go AJPTurbo and don't look back.....

Caught my interest. AJPTurbo tune and catch can. How easy was the catch can install and how effective is it?
You are turning mid-12's with the AJPT and have no issues????
Thanks
Shoblock

 

[StealBlueSho]

Caught my interest. AJPTurbo tune and catch can. How easy was the catch can install and how effective is it?
You are turning mid-12's with the AJPT and have no issues????
Thanks
Shoblock

This is funny....

You hammer LMS because they use customer input to adjust tunes...

What do you think AJPTURBO is gonna do? Just a quick reality check for you... you will need to datalog your tune from him to make sure it’s all good. Datalogging involves recording your cars data while you do a full wide open throttle run through the first three gears.

Then Brad will take this data to verify everything is working correctly and make adjustments as needed.

This is standard operating procedure for any tuner using the SCT platform.




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[SHOdded]

If shoblock is exploring his options, he has every right to do so. Let's see if Brad can massage something, learn something. Whether it is to end up verifying fuel limitations in winter time or not. Live and let live.

Not questioning Livernois skills/abilities by any means. But no one is flawless. Not Unleashed, not Brad, not Gearhead ... If we don't keep at it, the problem becomes a cold case. Enthusiasts do not like cold cases, LOL.

 

[shoblock]

This is funny....

You hammer LMS because they use customer input to adjust tunes...

What do you think AJPTURBO is gonna do? Just a quick reality check for you... you will need to datalog your tune from him to make sure it’s all good. Datalogging involves recording your cars data while you do a full wide open throttle run through the first three gears.

Then Brad will take this data to verify everything is working correctly and make adjustments as needed.

This is standard operating procedure for any tuner using the SCT platform.




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Datalogging makes sense, and I may have to go that route. Isn't making a video of a dashboard less professional than datalogging? I originally added my input to enforce Omahan's lms vds gearhead thread, and discovered I'm not the only one with v11 issues. I hope Livernois can get my car back to v10 reliability. If not, I will go elsewhere.

 

[SM105K]

Caught my interest. AJPTurbo tune and catch can. How easy was the catch can install and how effective is it?
You are turning mid-12's with the AJPT and have no issues????
Thanks
Shoblock

Yes I have a AJPTurbo tune and a UPR catch can. The catch can is really easy to install and there are many videos that can show how to install the can the proper way. Also if you purchase one I can help with the install as well.

Yes I run mid 12's (12.50's) at full weight and I weight 250 lbs. Pretty sure I can get it into the 12.30's next track session in January. I use Brad's E30 tune. I have gone through about 5 revisions just on the E30 tune. I have a lot of tunes by Brad. I have a stock 3 bar, a 91 3 bar, and mild to wild E30 tunes. My SHO isn't my daily so I have zero problem beating on her. She is actually down getting a transmission upgrade as we speak.

Here is a good thread and I have lengthy explaination on why I use E30. You can also learn about some stuff on the fuel systems on the SHO's. My response is #46. You will see alot of crossover between members here and there.

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9618.0.html

I use the SCT LiveWire. It hold 10 tunes, I see what parameters I want in real time, I can set alarms, and I can data log. SBS is correct. You will have to buy a SCT device (either a X4 or a LiveWire). Brad is a dealer for the device. You will need plugs, and 3 bar MAP (in most cases) and at least a K&N drop in. You will need to data log. Brad likes a couple of logs. TC off, standing stop, 1st through 3rd gear full throttle pull. Then a 3rd gear 20-30 mph pull all the way to red line.

Here is my personal thread about the adventures of me and my SHO. I am still chasing a couple of goals.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/couple-of-goals.138235/#post-1496036

 

[shoblock]

Yes I have a AJPTurbo tune and a UPR catch can. The catch can is really easy to install and there are many videos that can show how to install the can the proper way. Also if you purchase one I can help with the install as well.

Yes I run mid 12's (12.50's) at full weight and I weight 250 lbs. Pretty sure I can get it into the 12.30's next track session in January. I use Brad's E30 tune. I have gone through about 5 revisions just on the E30 tune. I have a lot of tunes by Brad. I have a stock 3 bar, a 91 3 bar, and mild to wild E30 tunes. My SHO isn't my daily so I have zero problem beating on her. She is actually down getting a transmission upgrade as we speak.

Here is a good thread and I have lengthy explaination on why I use E30. You can also learn about some stuff on the fuel systems on the SHO's. My response is #46. You will see alot of crossover between members here and there.

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9618.0.html

I use the SCT LiveWire. It hold 10 tunes, I see what parameters I want in real time, I can set alarms, and I can data log. SBS is correct. You will have to buy a SCT device (either a X4 or a LiveWire). Brad is a dealer for the device. You will need plugs, and 3 bar MAP (in most cases) and at least a K&N drop in. You will need to data log. Brad likes a couple of logs. TC off, standing stop, 1st through 3rd gear full throttle pull. Then a 3rd gear 20-30 mph pull all the way to red line.

Here is my personal thread about the adventures of me and my SHO. I am still chasing a couple of goals.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/couple-of-goals.138235/#post-1496036

This speaks to me! I just lost 40 lbs. this year and am down to 205. HMMM maybe I will be in the 12's, but I digress..I already changed the plugs less than 1000 miles ago when the trouble started. I have a 3 bar installed, but I have a question. Datalogging will be my next step if Livernois can't fix my issue. From here I will read your link because I do not know what e30 is.
Thanks for your help.
Shoblock

 

[shoblock]

Yes I have a AJPTurbo tune and a UPR catch can. The catch can is really easy to install and there are many videos that can show how to install the can the proper way. Also if you purchase one I can help with the install as well.

Yes I run mid 12's (12.50's) at full weight and I weight 250 lbs. Pretty sure I can get it into the 12.30's next track session in January. I use Brad's E30 tune. I have gone through about 5 revisions just on the E30 tune. I have a lot of tunes by Brad. I have a stock 3 bar, a 91 3 bar, and mild to wild E30 tunes. My SHO isn't my daily so I have zero problem beating on her. She is actually down getting a transmission upgrade as we speak.

Here is a good thread and I have lengthy explaination on why I use E30. You can also learn about some stuff on the fuel systems on the SHO's. My response is #46. You will see alot of crossover between members here and there.

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9618.0.html

I use the SCT LiveWire. It hold 10 tunes, I see what parameters I want in real time, I can set alarms, and I can data log. SBS is correct. You will have to buy a SCT device (either a X4 or a LiveWire). Brad is a dealer for the device. You will need plugs, and 3 bar MAP (in most cases) and at least a K&N drop in. You will need to data log. Brad likes a couple of logs. TC off, standing stop, 1st through 3rd gear full throttle pull. Then a 3rd gear 20-30 mph pull all the way to red line.

Here is my personal thread about the adventures of me and my SHO. I am still chasing a couple of goals.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/couple-of-goals.138235/#post-1496036

I read through the ecoboost forum, and am keeping AJPTurbo with the SCT tuner in my back pocket for next steps, if needed. I could not find anything in google for AJPTurbo except a Japanese car website with the same name. Do you have a link? Nothing about SHO's.
Now that I learned E30 is a fuel, I'm wondering if it is purchased right from the pump like E85. All help appreciated.
Shoblock

 

[Lostneye]

By the way, I found out what it does when you go back to stock and leave the 3 bar installed. The instrument cluster lights up like a Christmas tree with errors and it will barely idle. Took me a minute to figure out I had forgot to change it. Lol

SHO right of passage.

 

[SM105K]

I read through the ecoboost forum, and am keeping AJPTurbo with the SCT tuner in my back pocket for next steps, if needed. I could not find anything in google for AJPTurbo except a Japanese car website with the same name. Do you have a link? Nothing about SHO's.
Now that I learned E30 is a fuel, I'm wondering if it is purchased right from the pump like E85. All help appreciated.
Shoblock

I have to mix it right out the pumps. Not a big deal. Do you have 93 octane in your area, if you do I am pretty sure Brad's 93 tune will be lights out.

You can contact him: [email protected]

Also here is the link to the AJP on the other forum.

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/board,243.0.html

 

[OmaHahn]

This is funny....

You hammer LMS because they use customer input to adjust tunes...

What do you think AJPTURBO is gonna do? Just a quick reality check for you... you will need to datalog your tune from him to make sure it’s all good. Datalogging involves recording your cars data while you do a full wide open throttle run through the first three gears.

Then Brad will take this data to verify everything is working correctly and make adjustments as needed.

This is standard operating procedure for any tuner using the SCT platform.

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You'll have to jump over to my thread and read my results! Yes, data-logging is the best solution but there are "canned tunes," that work just fine. LMS worked for me for over 3 years until recently and my new Gearhead tune is flawless.

 

[MHW100]

Just loaded the v11 91 3 bar tune and it's missing going into 3rd .feels like neutral . Very disconcerting . I'll contact Anthony .