Keep getting p0302 code

[yaycandy]

Sounds easier in noisemaker pipe, but im looking at direct port from prometh. Will it “clean” valves any better then direct port? I figured it would get sucked into first 2 cylinders first, but i guess it mixes with the air and runs good in all cylinders

 

[SM105K]

Sounds easier in noisemaker pipe, but im looking at direct port from prometh. Will it “clean” valves any better then direct port? I figured it would get sucked into first 2 cylinders first, but i guess it mixes with the air and runs good in all cylinders

The choice is yours and yours alone.

 

[luigisho]

If nitrous setups are something you could reference as similar in concept, then injecting it at the intake runner to each cylinder >pre intake manifold as far as distributing it to cylinders evenly. It never gets evenly distributed coming from the intake/throttle body. Does it matter that it isn't exactly even per cylinder? I guess that depends on the results you are looking for.

 

[yaycandy]

I just want to know if theres a big difference between the 2. I was reading in more about the turbos and i canceled my order for the upgrades and ordered 2 from getoemparts. Just 2 stock ones. Thats why im looking into meth now that i saved some money. Maybe down the road ill want better turbos. In my memory with just livernois 93 3 bar tune and no cats straight pipes. It does kicks the tires on demand and at highway speeds when paddle shifting down. Im sure stock turbos are good enough lol. I have a video somewhere, no kidding. I disabled advancetrac in the wiring and was spinning all wheels on dry road moving sideways. My buddy is an electronics engineer. We also put a switch to disable the rear and just run fwd. and it would smoke the tires up to 3-4 gear

 

[yaycandy]

If nitrous setups are something you could reference as similar in concept, then direct port >pre intake manifold as far as distributing it to cylinders evenly. It never gets evenly distributed coming from the intake/throttle body. Does it matter that it isn't exactly even per cylinder? I guess that depends on the results you are looking for.

I was just looking towards safetly. Tuners add more advance and all, but how do they know each cylinder is on par. Advancing effects all the cylinders. What is 2 or 3 got a better mix of meth and the farthest 2 really dont got any. All the same timing.

 

[yaycandy]

Ill make a write up for it, was pretty simple to disable the advance trac on my non pp sho. Just says service advance trac on the guages. But there is no stability or traction control. Fun to play around with. Then take jump wire back off. I gotta ask him what he did and where and ill get a write up for it. Didnt hurt anything. My tranny and all is still good. No shavings when i did the ptu fluid a few weeks ago. At 70k

 

[luigisho]

I was just looking towards safetly. Tuners add more advance and all, but how do they know each cylinder is on par. Advancing effects all the cylinders. What is 2 or 3 got a better mix of meth and the farthest 2 really dont got any. All the same timing.

Right that is why to get exacting results requires it directed at each cylinder. I guess it's a matter of degree. A small 50-75 shot of nitrous in the older SHO's was fine but to really do it right required a tap and line at the runner to each cylinder. You're an engineer, I'm a dummy. You already know this stuff

 

[yaycandy]

I aint no car engineer though. This meth and nitrous stuff is beyond me, and then i wonder how a tuner can tune for it as a throttle body injection when there is no saying how equal it is distributed. I think ill just do a direct port system. Its the only logical one that makes sense to me. Meth makes since on a carb engine because the fuel runners are already pretty even but for the ecoboost that was never ment to have fuel in the intake. Id have to look in the intake to see how well fuel could travel through it evenly. Turbos will help alot with pushing also

 

[SM105K]

Direct Port will always be safer/better then using a fogger. It is more expensive, but works better.

 

[Johnbigdog]

So I will stir the ***.

Would it be better to have one version of the Meth. set up vs the other based on the intended purpose of the set up? One for fuel, the other for cooling down the IAT. I ask as I have read in the past if your fogging to bring down temps, the longer the fogger is away the more time the mixture has to mix and cool the air.

 

[yaycandy]

I was just reading about a 7th jecter to cool the air comming in. Buts thats some quantom stuff there. Maybe just make the ac run the intake charge pipe. Looks easy to do on our air conditioning system. I found a “bung” that dont got a “hole” to go to, so maybe run a line from it somewhere

 

[yaycandy]

Depressing time coming home and parking next to my sho, knowing i cant go out and have fun in it. Maybe around spring. I got the pipsqueek mobile now, its also fun.....But not quick like the sho. Small compared to sho. Well compared to anything

 

[yaycandy]

So I will stir the ***.

Would it be better to have one version of the Meth. set up vs the other based on the intended purpose of the set up? One for fuel, the other for cooling down the IAT. I ask as I have read in the past if your fogging to bring down temps, the longer the fogger is away the more time the mixture has to mix and cool the air.

Im gunna take the harder route and do the direct port kit from prometh and another jecter in front of air intake sensor. Could i move that iat to the noisemaker delete pipe or is it too close to the throttle plate? Im not sure with turbos and intercooler. I would rather it near the throttle plate so it can adjust accuratly to what is actually coming in

 

[Johnbigdog]

Im gunna take the harder route and do the direct port kit from prometh and another jecter in front of air intake sensor. Could i move that iat to the noisemaker delete pipe or is it too close to the throttle plate? Im not sure with turbos and intercooler. I would rather it near the throttle plate so it can adjust accuratly to what is actually coming in

If your asking me. I dunno. I'm certain that there is a I.A.T. and map (one sensor) before the t.b. to detect boost pressure and then you have the map on the intake.

I only fix stock stuff and have a minimal understanding.

 

[yaycandy]

If your asking me. I dunno. I'm certain that there is a I.A.T. and map (one sensor) before the t.b. to detect boost pressure and then you have the map on the intake.

I only fix stock stuff and have a minimal understanding.

Oh. I was really just meaning the Iat sensor. I believe its behind the filter at the beginning of the intake. I usually see a “7th” injector around the map sensor area of the intake piping. I was just wondering if its better for it to be injected before or after the Iat because i thought the meth could cool the intake temps but then with the iat behind the filter the air could be “post” heated by the turbos, pipeing, intercooler and etc. im also not sure on how much the intercooler actually cools either. Just some things i was thinking about because i always overthink everything. My best bet is to probably talk to whoever my new tuner will be. Matt or Brad. Havent made up my mind yet

 

[Johnbigdog]

Oh. I was really just meaning the Iat sensor. I believe its behind the filter at the beginning of the intake. I usually see a “7th” injector around the map sensor area of the intake piping. I was just wondering if its better for it to be injected before or after the Iat because i thought the meth could cool the intake temps but then with the iat behind the filter the air could be “post” heated by the turbos, pipeing, intercooler and etc. im also not sure on how much the intercooler actually cools either. Just some things i was thinking about because i always overthink everything. My best bet is to probably talk to whoever my new tuner will be. Matt or Brad. Havent made up my mind yet

There are multiple intake air temp sensors. One is on the filter housing one is part of the map sensor before the throttle body. To fuel properly you have to know the temp of the air along with pressure. The turbos and cac will affect air temp so hence the sensor before the throttle body. The heat/ cool of the air isn't instant so you have ti measure it. I honestly dont know what IAT1 (air filter) is used for engine performance wise.

I have read that the longer the water/meth has to mix the better. As it can more effectively evaporate and cool the air before getting into the cylinder. However some have noted the intake doesn't allow even distribution. I think this is the reason for direct port meth? However I dont know if this is for cooling or fuel supplement (direct port) I guess that would be dependent on the tuner.

I have read using the wrong alcohol can cause some interesting results. Lol.

 

[yaycandy]

There are multiple intake air temp sensors. One is on the filter housing one is part of the map sensor before the throttle body. To fuel properly you have to know the temp of the air along with pressure. The turbos and cac will affect air temp so hence the sensor before the throttle body. The heat/ cool of the air isn't instant so you have ti measure it. I honestly dont know what IAT1 (air filter) is used for engine performance wise.

I have read that the longer the water/meth has to mix the better. As it can more effectively evaporate and cool the air before getting into the cylinder. However some have noted the intake doesn't allow even distribution. I think this is the reason for direct port meth? However I dont know if this is for cooling or fuel supplement (direct port) I guess that would be dependent on the tuner.

I have read using the wrong alcohol can cause some interesting results. Lol.

Yea im still trying to learn how these non carbuerated engines work. When i joined the airforce out of highschool they never really teach you about car engines lol. Most of that i been learning on my own with many of my different cars. These ecoboost engines are beyond me. I wanted to learn engines and be a tuner and all but Jets, Helicopters and Nuclear is really what i was more interested in learning lol

 

[yaycandy]

Yea im still trying to learn how these non carbuerated engines work. When i joined the airforce out of highschool they never really teach you about car engines lol. Most of that i been learning on my own with many of my different cars. These ecoboost engines are beyond me. I wanted to learn engines and be a tuner and all but Jets, Helicopters and Nuclear is really what i was more interested in learning lol

Yea there is Nuclear and Magnetics in airforce along with navy to keep aircraft carriers maintained and carrier jet propulsion systems maintained and they are mostly magnetic launch now but some older ones are still hydraulic. Nuclear power aint fun with the older A4W propulsion reactors

 

[yaycandy]

There are multiple intake air temp sensors. One is on the filter housing one is part of the map sensor before the throttle body. To fuel properly you have to know the temp of the air along with pressure. The turbos and cac will affect air temp so hence the sensor before the throttle body. The heat/ cool of the air isn't instant so you have ti measure it. I honestly dont know what IAT1 (air filter) is used for engine performance wise.

I have read that the longer the water/meth has to mix the better. As it can more effectively evaporate and cool the air before getting into the cylinder. However some have noted the intake doesn't allow even distribution. I think this is the reason for direct port meth? However I dont know if this is for cooling or fuel supplement (direct port) I guess that would be dependent on the tuner.

I have read using the wrong alcohol can cause some interesting results. Lol.

Got that right about wrong alcohol lol. I had custom turbo headers/manifolds made for my sho and was running open downpipes turned out to sidepipes that came out between side doors and with e85 it was a fireball show when downshifting. I have fun with my cars, learn the hard way and get new engines. Ive never broke a tranny yet though lol

 

[Johnbigdog]

Some fun to read about water/alcohol.

Do some pressure conversions.