How to with pictures: Moog subframe fix (56k warn)

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ScottyDsntKno

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Ok well we all know(or SHOULD know if you'd look at the sticky section) that our subframes leave alot to be desired in the section where the strut rods attach. There are bushing cups that rot/rust out and you wind up with the dreaded subframe "clunk" which often sounds and feels more like a big slam than a clunk... At any rate of all the info I saw there wasn't a good comprehensive guide to do an install. To this end I decided to make one. Heck, I might wind up with another SHO one day and want to reference this myself. I really wish I had this when I did mine yesterday.

Also, this guide is NOT an official Ford guide and I am in no way responsible for any damage to you, your vehicle, anyone else, personal property etc... This is just a guide of how I did it.

What you'll need:

-A set of metric 1/2" drive sockets deep and shallow
-A set of metric 3/8" drive sockets deep and shallow
-A 21mm box wrench
-1/2" drive torque wrench good for 110-120 ft lbs
-1/2" drive breaker bar 18" or longer works well
-3/8" drive and 1/2" drive ratchets
-Two Moog subframe repair kits part number K8737
-Moog bushing kit K8526
-2" spanner socket. I got one by AmPro at Advance Auto, part# T72048
-Wrench and theft prevention adapter for lugnuts
-Red threadlocker
-Tube of silicone, I used blue rtv
-Prybars, screwdrivers, hammer and whatever tools you deem necessary
-Jack, jackstands, chocks
-Safety goggles
-PB blaster
-Maybe a torch if you have a really stubborn nut that won't come off

And now for the process itself:

First, chock the back wheels, jack a side of the car up, install jackstands(ALWAYS USE JACKSTANDS!!!!) remove the front nut and bushing from the strut rod on that side and remove the wheel.

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Then, to get the strut rod out you need to remove the suspension arm it attaches to from the body of the car and disconnect the whole thing from the hub assembly like so. This requires larger sockets and the 21mm box wrench here.

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*Note you must get the rear subframe bushing off the strut rod to remove it from the subframe, I really don't have any advice for this except to just be persistant with a hammer, pry bar, screwdriver, chisel etc... Each one of these took me almost a half hour to get off and alot of swearing/bleeding etc... They suck, but they DO come off.

Now that you have this out you can chisel out your old subframe strut rod cups. The directions say to chisel them out but mine were so rusted they just fell right out when I pulled the strut rod. This is why we clunk.

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Yeah... Now do you see why this NEEDs to be done. I can't imagine how anyone could fix that with a welder like some people claimed...

So you wind up with your subframe looking like this.

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And in case anyone doesn't know, the subframe repair kit looks like this.

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Now, put some threadlocker on the subframe repair kit and install it with the flat area on the rear piece facing down(you'll see what I'm talking about and its also noted in the directions that come with the repair kit) and torque to 110-120 ft lbs. It should look like this when done. Do NOT install it backwards although it looks like it should go in the other way.

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Now, slide the strut rod back up to the subframe hole and install your new rear bushing on the rod BEFORE you slide it through the new bushing cup you just put in. Then push it all the way in and re-attach the suspension arm the strut rod is on to the body and the hub. I don't have a pic for this but if you took it out you can put it back in. Just realize that new bushings and the bigger bushing cups make things a little tighter so you'll have to pry a little. Use threadlocker on everything here.

Its time for the front bushing, make SURE you have the metal washer that came with the kit on the back of the busing, this protects the bushing from the spanner notches.

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**** up the bushing on the inside and out with the silicone, this makes it easier to slide into the Moog cup and around the strut rod. Put a jack under the hub assembly and jack that side up until right before it would lift off the jackstand, this makes it possible to get the bushing in around the strut rod on the top side. Install the bushing with the washer and then re-install the stock washer and nut on the front side and tighten them down. I don't have torque values handy for anything but the fix kit itself, I just german torqued everything and used threadlocker.

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No, that is NOT blood that is threadlocker although I did tear up one of my knuckles and almost broke my finger on the other side... Anyways that is what it looks like when done. Now just put your wheel back on and do the other side. You now have vehicle that no longer clunks like crazy.

I hope this helps people, I have included ALL the tools, part numbers and what I did to get this done. Now that I've done it I'm confident I could do this in under 2 hours, the only really hard part is that stupid rear bushing on the strut rod that is damn near impossible to get off. The rest of the job is cake.

Let me know what you all think!

-Scott
 
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awesome job

you sir deserve some sort of medal lol

wait thats what the scars are for


I need to do this as mine has broke twice since I welded it... yes I'm a crappy welder using faux wire


where did you get the moog kit from?

i thought it was on rockauto before but I don't see it now, maybe I'm not looking in the right place

I guess I can give that PN to a few distributors we use at work and see what they can come up with........
 

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Google the part number, you'll see various places to get it from. I know its on rockauto, just keep looking. I JUST ordered them last week.
 

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I linked this into the subframe sticky with a post on the 5th page. Hopefully people coming on here asking why their car is clunking will look there first but probably not lol.
 

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Good write up.

You can also weld the cups in place.

I've done that and works good.
 

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Weld the new cups in place or the old ones? There is no way in **** the old ones I had on my car would ever have been fixable. They fell out in rusty hunks as you see in the picture lol.
 

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hey is that kit for both sides or just one? cause i've been wondering what this sudden clunking is and now i think i know. i'll check come morning.
 

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You need 1 kit per side and you should replace the bushings in there too. Its about $75 per side and $30 for the bushings. Sucks that you have to pay almost $200 to do it but it really REALLY makes a world of difference. Buy everything from rockauto all at once.
 

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Not to threadjack, but does anyone has a decent zoomed out picture of where the hole goes in the floorpan for the subframe warranty kit for either side? The Ford instructions aren't that great, and the only interior pic on SHOPhoenix is superzoomed in on the hole.
 

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Not to threadjack, but does anyone has a decent zoomed out picture of where the hole goes in the floorpan for the subframe warranty kit for either side? The Ford instructions aren't that great, and the only interior pic on SHOPhoenix is superzoomed in on the hole.

Since we're "jacking" this thread I just though I'd add that the same thing can happen in the rear of the car, however if you try to use these parts for that your find them too wide for the nut to have room to fit back on the rod.

After a little machining (read Grinder) we were able to get it started and tightened. Now no clunk in the back either!
 

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Since we're "jacking" this thread I just though I'd add that the same thing can happen in the rear of the car, however if you try to use these parts for that your find them too wide for the nut to have room to fit back on the rod.

After a little machining (read Grinder) we were able to get it started and tightened. Now no clunk in the back either!

So you were able to use the Moog bits in the rear? You had to surface grind them down thinner (the Moog bits)?
 

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I'm guessing that is exactly what he's talking about. You'd have to grind down the cup side just enough for a thread to grab and then just tighten the mother down.

On a side note, I just bought another SHO I'm picking up in a week and if it doesn't have this done already then guess what I'll be doing over christmas break? IMO this is a MUST DO as preventative maintenance if your car is a daily driver because if it starts to slam on you one morning during the drive to work or god forbid on a long road trip then you are up **** creek without a paddle.
 

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Guess not, I wound up not getting that SHO I thought I was going to get but I got a mint Contour SVT to console myself. I am selling the green car I did this to in the classifieds and maybe one day I'll own a SHO again but I'm not really sure. There are so many other cars I want to own and work on... ****, maybe it won't sell and it'll be a backup car for a few years.
 
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Great write-up btw.

Like my version better. . .

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks like a stock subframe. Why not a GEN 3 Subframe instead? Kinda seems like a waste of time to do all that work to a stock subframe. Looks nice though.
 
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