Group Buy for K Sport Coilovers at SHO Source 86-07

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Thank you for your input SHO-10. Matt, Kurt and Mike, I don't know how you guys put up with this crap, but you have my support.
Thanks for trying to keep this platform alive. Some of us appreciate it.
 

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There is a thing called 'constructive criticism', and then there is just plain ole' belly achin', and you guys who like to speak negatively about a product that has not even come out yet, you fall into the latter category.

What is the deal? You do realize that we are all enthusiasts of a car that has not been in production for almost 10 years, that had literally NO aftermarket support from it's parent company, and almost none from outside companies, and what little it did have was usually overpriced and did not work as well as advertised. Now, YEARS later, we have MORE products, MORE innovation, MORE enthusiasm for, and let's be honest, an aging and by today's standard 'average' sedan. Without people like Matt, Kurt and Mike, there would be NOTHING of value avaliable for this car. It is people like them that are keeping this community alive. If you want a large and cheap aftermarket for your car, go buy a Civic or Mustang, because you will NEVER have that kind of market chasing after the SHO, it simply won't happen. So let's be supportive of the few people that are actually doing this community a service. As someone who has tried to bring some products to the community in the past, I know how much work and energy it entails, all for very little (and many times NO) monetary gain. I like to think of myself as someone with extraordinary passion for this car, but I could not do what the guys at SHOsource are doing, my hat is off to them. I remember the days when the only game in town was SHOshop, overpriced, underdeveloped, with the worst customer service in the history of the world. If you guys want to go back to those days, be my guest. I for one prefer that SHOsource stays around, for a long time to come.


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Matt has also posted this over on TCCA, and I have to say thanks, man! I purchased a set of Koni's from SHOBro's back in April of '06. My Taurus then got taken to TWS in May, without the Koni's, due to some shipping troubles. Two days later, I recieved my Konis, and that same day the trans went out on my Taurus. Forward to this year, I've rebuilt the trans, swapped in an '07 engine, genIII subframe and my 1 year old Konis. LOL! They have just a few hundred miles on them, I like the way they ride, the way the car handles is waaaaay awesome!!! Yet, I really want to get a set of these C/O's, why? Why the **** not!!!! My brother, post #28^ has a set of Koni's that were installed as we were rebuilding the suspension on his SHO, they have 0 miles on them and have never seen the street except to push the car from the front yard to the back yard, and yet, he still is contemplating swapping to these C/O's. Again, why? I usually don't post a whole lot around here because I keep getting the whole "you don't own a SHO thing" but you know, we ALL drive Tauruses, we all love 'em, and that is WHY!!! I say let's get this going, the more support we give, the more support Matt and the guys can give, and the more product they can give us.
 

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Where is the dampner adjuster located on these? Is it on the top like koni's? Can you adj. with the set installed?

Top like shown for the Probe. I have already explained the issues of the low clearance in the rear.

will they be as good as the koni/ground control with Articulating Spring Mounts?

Yes probably even better.

The double adjustability is very appealing. Will we be able to pick our own spring rates?

As someone else mentioned, are these modified from another application? My SHO is coming down in weight, but we still have a pretty heavy car overall...

Yes you will be able to within certain limits.

These will be designed for the SHO but they might use another application to get it off the ground. They haven't given me the details on this and wont be able to till they get a SHO. Just like Konis and Quafie.

Im still puzzled on what failing seals has to do with installing an already assembled unit.

You still have to install it. From what I understand it comes from the preloading of the springs. Ian can explain it better as he has worked with them.

What are the installation issues that would cause a premature failure? I read something about adjusting the rebound or compression too far and blowing out the internal seals. I guess that's an easy one to do.

EDIT: Just in case it's not clear, I'm not doubting you. I'm just curious.

Ian

See above.

....coilovers for a Gen III????? :dribble: Lemme hear some reviews once a few sets have been sold, and you'll have my business.

Wont happen unless we have enough orders. If everyone waits for everyone to buy them then they wont be made. This is what kills a group buy. If you want it, you should get it.


Thanks Ian for the posts.
 
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this is a little inturesting i tried to post a gagueing intrest on this exact thing and only got one committe back so im glad to know that there are people inturested cause i would love to have a set of these on my sho and also bing in az and actually having a few friends that are running these struts i've only heard good things and also I have friends that are friends with important people at ksport so i could most liklly get some good questions and conserns past through faster.
 

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this is a little inturesting i tried to post a gagueing intrest on this exact thing and only got one committe back so im glad to know that there are people inturested cause i would love to have a set of these on my sho and also bing in az and actually having a few friends that are running these struts i've only heard good things and also I have friends that are friends with important people at ksport so i could most liklly get some good questions and conserns past through faster.

We had been working on this for a while to bring this up. Had to get some paper work going.

If you want to be a part of the group buy let me know.

We will be in need of a tester.
 

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Aren't the gen1/2/3 struts somewhat interchangeable except for the SARC tabs? Are the mounts different? I wonder if it would be easier to have one product for all the cars?

I may be completely wrong on this though...

Ian
 

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Top like shown for the Probe. I have already explained the issues of the low clearance in the rear.

I seemed to have missed where this was discussed. Can you please point me to it.

You guys have not given me any reasons to doubt your judgement/actions in the past so sign me up.
 

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Aren't the gen1/2/3 struts somewhat interchangeable except for the SARC tabs? Are the mounts different? I wonder if it would be easier to have one product for all the cars?

I may be completely wrong on this though...

Ian

Yes they are very close but the endlink location is different for th front, strut mounts are diffrent for the front and valving/spring rate is different, especially for the V8.

I seemed to have missed where this was discussed. Can you please point me to it.

You guys have not given me any reasons to doubt your judgement/actions in the past so sign me up.

It was in one of the earlier post by warmonger or Kens1992mtxSHO. They seemed to have removed it.

Thanks NJSHO.
 

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Will these use 2.5" coilover springs?

Would the end user be able to use your articulating mounts with them should he/she choose to?

If they are still in the R&D phase, do you think that they will they offer more suspension travel than our current strut choices? One of the limiting factors with our suspension is the lack of travel and how easy it is to bottom out.

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yes,one nice feature of the ksports is the ability to lower the car by lower the sturt its self,and not have to lower the spring/spring perch. thus allowing full suspension travel,and theoreticaly,that should put less stress on the internals of the unit,since its not compressed anymore than before it was lowered. thats what puzzles me about my ksports,since thats how the rear of the car is lowered,the ride hieght was never once adjusted by lowering the spring perch,yet the backs are blown and the fronts arent.

That and the monotube design is a huge improvement over what we have. This sounds like a great product.

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Will these use 2.5" coilover springs?

Would the end user be able to use your articulating mounts with them should he/she choose to?

If they are still in the R&D phase, do you think that they will they offer more suspension travel than our current strut choices? One of the limiting factors with our suspension is the lack of travel and how easy it is to bottom out.

Ian

I am not sure on the spring size.

I am not sure on the mounts.

Yes there will be more travel.
 
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he prob. wants to know if they are going to be "ground up" units,or modifieds units,and if they're modified,from what were they sourced? so things like vehicle wieght can be taken into consideration. like i said,the first rounds of probe/mx6 ksports were modified protege units,and anyone who feels like searching probetalk can find out how that turned out

took the words out from my mouth:thumb:
 

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heres a real quick answer to the failing seals-when you lower the car incorrectley it causes the strut to be compressed too far which in turn blows the seals. its the same problem gr-2's, monroes, and all stock shocks have is when you excessively lower a vehicle. when the coilovers are installed correctly you will not have that problem. ill get some pics up later that show why the seals blow and why its installation error rather than a faulty product.
 

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ummm,they come assembled. its a matter of four bolts on the top,two on the bottom. than they're in.as far as lowering,like i mentioned,my car is lowered by lowering the strut body ONLY,so the strut isnt compressed anymore than it would be at full ride hieght.
 

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Lowering the strut body on the SHO could be a problem. We have pinched struts, not bolt ons, so the strut would have to be in a threaded assembly that is then pinched in the knuckle. Also up front, the axle gets in the way pretty quickly.

I'm definitely excited about these. Once I get my car running properly again, I'll be throwing my name in the hat. I wish I could do it sooner, but new suspension on a slow/poor performing car isn't gonna do me any good.
 

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There is a thing called 'constructive criticism', and then there is just plain ole' belly achin', and you guys who like to speak negatively about a product that has not even come out yet, you fall into the latter category.

What is the deal? You do realize that we are all enthusiasts of a car that has not been in production for almost 10 years, that had literally NO aftermarket support from it's parent company, and almost none from outside companies, and what little it did have was usually overpriced and did not work as well as advertised. Now, YEARS later, we have MORE products, MORE innovation, MORE enthusiasm for, and let's be honest, an aging and by today's standard 'average' sedan. Without people like Matt, Kurt and Mike, there would be NOTHING of value avaliable for this car. It is people like them that are keeping this community alive. If you want a large and cheap aftermarket for your car, go buy a Civic or Mustang, because you will NEVER have that kind of market chasing after the SHO, it simply won't happen. So let's be supportive of the few people that are actually doing this community a service. As someone who has tried to bring some products to the community in the past, I know how much work and energy it entails, all for very little (and many times NO) monetary gain. I like to think of myself as someone with extraordinary passion for this car, but I could not do what the guys at SHOsource are doing, my hat is off to them. I remember the days when the only game in town was SHOshop, overpriced, underdeveloped, with the worst customer service in the history of the world. If you guys want to go back to those days, be my guest. I for one prefer that SHOsource stays around, for a long time to come.


TT

Be specific on who your directing that towards. I hope you dont see me coming off as a nag. I just figure the more detailed info on these units there are, the better off the customers will be considering all the problems theyve had in the past. Ive heard that they've updated them recently on other sites, I still havent heard any info about that.

It has nothing to do with not being supportive. If they prove to be reliable its a really good deal (repeating myself again) and kudos to you guys pushing for affordable mods for these cars.
 
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