Forged Rods

[yaycandy]

Do the f150 ecoboost forged aftermarket rods work on the sho ecoboost? Are the pistons the same too? I know f150 is forged pistons stock and sho is coated pistons stock but can f150 aftermarket pistons work in the sho? Thanks
My atp turbo upgrades just came in the mail and i want to do the internals at the same time.

 

[shoblock]

Do the f150 ecoboost forged aftermarket rods work on the sho ecoboost? Are the pistons the same too? I know f150 is forged pistons stock and sho is coated pistons stock but can f150 aftermarket pistons work in the sho? Thanks
My atp turbo upgrades just came in the mail and i want to do the internals at the same time.

The best stock pistons are the pistons for the PP SHO. They are a police piston designed to idle a half hour, then go immediately to WOT with no restrictions. I have posted the photo differences of the pistons in the past on this site, but it's easy to tell them apart. The top ring on the PP piston seats in a molded-in hardened ring that is a different color than the rest of the piston. This piston and the matching rod are the best choice. Literally thousands of hours of Ford torture testing on this combination, and I have yet to hear of a rod failure except when the engine is out of oil. I am in the location where all SHO motors were built, sitting in the Quality meeting for North America every morning since 2011. All warranty issues for the SHO motor in the U.S. are discussed daily.
The F150 is a completely different block and rotating assembly, I doubt anything would interchange. I will try to find out Monday.
Shoblock

 

[yaycandy]

I thought sho no pp and yes pp were same block numbers. Some websites say the rods are the same for all 3.5l ecoboosts up to the redesign on the f150s but i dont know anyone who actually done it and can confirm that all is good. I just spent 5k on a block and dont really wanna buy livernois or ford racing’s block. Maybe ill just wait and put the money into another car because the sho’s tranny will end up blowing and i was quoted 15k from my local raceshop to cnc a full custom tranny and to retrofit the controls

 

[shoblock]

Yes all shoblocks are the same. The F150 is a completely different block and there have been different F150 iterations over the years. All of the sho blocks are the same with minor updates in 2013 and fine main bearing bolts in 2015. I need until Monday to verify any rod, piston and crank F150 compatibility.
What block did you buy?
In your original note, it only talked about about pistons, connecting rods and compatibility sho to F150

 

[yaycandy]

I got a new engine from ford when i blew my 15 sho. My local raceshop ordered it new from ford so i dont know if its actually new or a refurb. But it was 5k$. Id have to find the engine codes on it somewhere.

 

[yaycandy]

I have a 13’ that i usually track at pitt race. Im looking to do that engine soon also. So if i order the police pack engine its better? Or do you mean the 3.7l??? I know that has different pistons. I didnt know the police pack 3.5l was different from the sho. Maybe ill just ls3 swap it

 

[shoblock]

PP doesn’t stand for police pack, it just so happens that police cars, whether they are Tauruses or Explorers, use the PP engine exclusively . That’s the one you want. For civilians, the PP engine is available on the sho as an option, or in The explorer sport.

 

[shoblock]

Look at my avatar. That is a 3.5 L front wheel drive SHO block. It is the only block that was ever used in a Ford Taurus sho or any explorer built from 2012 to 2019. Only the Taurus SHO and explorer sport had this same block turbo charged. There were explorers and Tauruses built with four cylinders but none were ever built with a 3.7. Only Lincolns use the 37 Front Wheel Dr. and none of the Lincolns with the 37 were ever turbo charged

 

[Jeff2017]

I had never heard that the PP had different pistons and rings than the non-PP. Very interesting.

 

[SHOdded]

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/stock-drivetrain-limits.130896/

https://shoforum.com/index.php?posts/1441000/

Hope the link works

 

[shoblock]

Once a motor is out of warranty we don’t hear about it anymore in the quality group. Also, warrantees have been disallowed when aftermarket tunes were discovered by the dealer. There have been rods let loose and went through the side of the block on F150s but that was found to be a fastener issue and not a failure due to Rod or piston integrity failure. Occasionally rings are installed wrong and surface later in a scored wall.. These are rare and since they build over 2000 engines a day one tear back a week average over eight years is not bad

 

[SHOdded]

Any way the avg owner can detect such issues early on?

 

[Jeff2017]

Once a motor is out of warranty we don’t hear about it anymore in the quality group. Also, warrantees have been disallowed when aftermarket tunes were discovered by the dealer. There have been rods let loose and went through the side of the block on F150s but that was found to be a fastener issue and not a failure due to Rod or piston integrity failure. Occasionally rings are installed wrong and surface later in a scored wall.. These are rare and since they build over 2000 engines a day one tear back a week average over eight years is not bad

How does the dealer determine if a car was tuned but put back to stock to configuration before bringing it in to the shop? I know there is a counter in the ECU that tells how many times it has been flashed but is that enough on its own to tell if the car was tuned?

 

[shoblock]

I never worked in a dealership so I can’t answer dealership questions. I do know a Ford dealership mechanic very well and he said that they rarely, if ever, check to see if a cars been tuned. The disallowed vehicles I’m aware of have blown motors and are towed in. They were suspect for a tune due to other visible modifications. Ford will disallow a warranty on any vehicle proven beyond a doubt that it was tuned and the motor was blown as a result. The key is visible and dealer policy. I have a k&n sticker on my air filter, a different hose coming off the air filter, and a catch can. My car is now out of warranty, however, and every dealership is run differently. In the past, I had a tuned car and it took it to the dealership many times without ever taking the tune out. No one at the dealer will look for a tune if you just go in for an oil change or brake job. There is a cost to do that and the dealer would be wasting valuable time and money. Just be aware that if the dealer has a reason to update the logic in your car‘s computer, put it back to stock before you go in. Everything I talked about is a gray area, use your best judgment.

 

[shoblock]

Any way the avg owner can detect such issues early on?

A knocking sound in the motor

 

[yaycandy]

I can sit in my living room and see a ford dealer right there or as others say i live across the street from a junkyard haha

I did some of my own research today. I live directly across the street from a Ford dealer and have for the past 10 years or so. Im close friends with the owner. I went over to see him this morning while they were closed and a few mechanics were in there working i guess finishing up some cars for tomorrow and i got talking to him. They told me and showed me on their system. There is no engine difference from a no pp (performance pack) sho to a yes pp sho and a police pack sho has the same exact engine and engine code as the sho. No internal differences on the sho or police intercepter. There are changes year to year but not within the same year across sho and police intercepter. Police has differences in the awd system and cooling and all but not internal. The f150s have forged pistons where as the sho does not and ford says they can swap in because of head design is the same but the compression may differ depending on the year. F150 and sho have the same connecting rods. Same part number. So they answered my questions. One of the mechanics showed me a boostcity website that has forged rods and pistons for f150 and sho with different compression pistons i can order. 8.5:1 forged pistons they sell for f150 and sho same part number. I asked ford directly hopefully i got good info from them. They told the suv mustang is real and coming soon and i laugh at the direction ford is taking. I sat in the edge st and it looks close to what an updated interior of a sho would look like. I guess that was there replacement for the sho

 

[Jeff2017]

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I can sit in my living room and see a ford dealer right there or as others say i live across the street from a junkyard haha

I did some of my own research today. I live directly across the street from a Ford dealer and have for the past 10 years or so. Im close friends with the owner. I went over to see him this morning while they were closed and a few mechanics were in there working i guess finishing up some cars for tomorrow and i got talking to him. They told me and showed me on their system. There is no engine difference from a no pp (performance pack) sho to a yes pp sho and a police pack sho has the same exact engine and engine code as the sho. No internal differences on the sho or police intercepter. There are changes year to year but not within the same year across sho and police intercepter. Police has differences in the awd system and cooling and all but not internal. The f150s have forged pistons where as the sho does not and ford says they can swap in because of head design is the same but the compression may differ depending on the year. F150 and sho have the same connecting rods. Same part number. So they answered my questions. One of the mechanics showed me a boostcity website that has forged rods and pistons for f150 and sho with different compression pistons i can order. 8.5:1 forged pistons they sell for f150 and sho same part number. I asked ford directly hopefully i got good info from them. They told the suv mustang is real and coming soon and i laugh at the direction ford is taking. I sat in the edge st and it looks close to what an updated interior of a sho would look like. I guess that was there replacement for the sho

Let's see what shoblock has to say about this.

 

[yaycandy]

Let's see what shoblock has to say about this.

Just what the dealer told me

 

[yaycandy]

Theres the site i was shown. I never heard of it till today, im sure you guys have

https://www.brewcityboost.com/product/manley-forged-piston-and-ring-set-for-3-5l-ecoboost/

 

[SM105K]

Let's see what shoblock has to say about this.

I would take the word of the man who works with the internals of our motors, vs the part changers.