Emergency Oil Leak

[socialdeviat]

Okay... I am bummed. I just got done with my 60k... New Everything... everything installed without a hitch... but now im leaking almost more oil than before. Its still drenching the Cat but also parts of the lower radiator hose outlet and onto the radiator support surrounding. See the pics... I checked the cam seals and theres no noticeable leakage there... I can only see the crank sprockets and assume it has to be that again. The Pan is coated... the valve covers arent leaking whatsoever... Could it still be the crank seal...and maybe I just didnt get it in all the way? ... Take a look at the pics... Im hoping my new seal comes in tommorow and hopefully I can retry...

I need to make a trip to vegas on thursday night... and with this it looks like ill have to **** my leg driving my Mustang down and eating up all the gas from barstow to Stateline.

Any input is greatly appreciated. I will tear down the bottom end early morn tommorow and hopefully I can see more. Ill spray it down and see if I can find anything that way. But check the link for about 15 pics. Its hard to see some of the oil since the flash is on but its everywhere underneath. Basically anything that looks wet.

http://www.g-u-e.com/Images/

 

[socialdeviat]

anyone think it could possibly be a oil pan leak? Or even worse something that I cant get to with the motor in the car like the oil pump or am I missing something here... what could possibly be leaking like that?

 

[socialdeviat]

I think I confirmed that the leak is the crank seal... If you look at the last photo and zoom in at the crank sprocket for the timing belt... you can see the oil seeping through the CPS relucter and the gear... also the presence of oil at the bottom of the belt. I will hopefully find a replacement and get it fixed tommorow. I can only hope I can get something before thursday morning.

 

[93rev2sev]

Them are some big pics. T1 FTW! havent made it to the last one yet...

I dunno...I think it looks higher than the front seal. Take off the lower timing cover and reinstall the damper. That should clear things up a bit.

 

[socialdeviat]

im tearing it down a bit further in a bit... just waiting til the manager leaves here... Cant work on cars during the week when hes here...

Then Ill see if its maybe the tensioner... cuz now that I think about it that is oil operated also. Luckily ford will have a main seal for me by tommorow morn if that is the case. So Here goes... Ill try to take smaller pics but it helps me when I cant see the smaller things and the sun goes down.

 

[sho'd]

the tensioner isn't oil operated, it has fluid in it, but dosn't get any from the motor, it could be a cam seal, i have one leaking like a bastard, and of corse it's the one with the cps.

 

[socialdeviat]

The cam seal behind the CPS I found to be the easiest. In terms of moving things out of the way... well its in the corner but still less work than the other 2... I cleaned everything around the crank seal and made sure there wasn't any debris. It didnt seem like the leak was coming from there... But rather somewhere on the side of the motor near the outlet of the water pump... Is there anything there... maybe the oil pump is mounted there or theres a gasket that possibly blew out or something in that general vicinity??

I am going to finish spraying down the pan and everything else thats in that area and when I put the new seal in tommorow and start it up... ill be able to see if it leaks again where its leaking from... hopefully its just that crank one. and the oil just happened to make its way out of there. Ill post the pics once their finished uploading. They are big again for the detail. I need it Im sorry.

 

[socialdeviat]

Okay got everything put back in.. The ford seal fit MUCH better than the Felpro counterpart. However... when I went to start it after getting it back together... it didn't want to start. I dont know what I did...

I didnt touch the timing... or spark wires... Cams and crank didnt move at ALL...The DIS Module and CPK and CPS are all plugged in... Fuel pump is priming and theirs pressure. Just doesnt feel like theres a spark. Could I have messed up the CPK sensor? Im scrummuging through my troubleshooting guide to find answers but Anyone had this happen?

 

[SHOMON]

oil leak

make sure that if you removed the crank sensor to regap it .030"

 

[socialdeviat]

Ill have to recheck it. I dont believe I removed it when I fixed the seal this morning.

Would carb Cleaner have messed it up possibly? I sprayed plenty of that in that area to clean it up. Damn I sure hope thats not the case. I just got it all back together and cleaned up.

 

[socialdeviat]

Ill test the DIS and coil as I have new backups

 

[socialdeviat]

IM THE BIGGEST NEWB IN THE WORLD!!!

Where does the Ground come from for the DIS... through the intake crossover tube bieng "BOLTED" on the Intake RIGHT!!?!?!?

Well sure enough... I go put that bolt on after taking forever with this and almost spending $105 which I dont have today and BAM!!! Turns over like nothing was ever wrong. Its warming up at the moment and hopefully I wont find anymore leaks.

So for anyone with a NO CRANK NO START CPK ISSUE... Check to make sure your crossover tube is bolted on.

 

[socialdeviat]

Okay fellas.. Car starts but LEAKS STILL!!! AND ITS NOT THE CAM/CRANK seals... WHERE ELSE COULD THIS THING BE LEAKING!!!

How HARD IS IT TO change the Silicone bead in the Oil Pan.

Has anyone changed the Oil Pump on this thing? If so is there possibly a gasket that could have blown on that? Unlikely YES but Im out of ideas. Or maybe the Oil Pressure Sending Unit? Where is that located?

Please fellas... I need this leak stopped yesterday. Thanks

Daniel

 

[93rev2sev]

Oil pressure sending unit is on the drivers side rear...near the firewall.

Oil pan seal is a good idea but if you take off the oilpan and don't swap your rod bearings I think you might get slapped by some people on this forum. Changings the oilpan seal and rod bearings is a 1 day event.

I have a 3.2 short block in my basement. I'll see about getting some pics of all the oil seals for your review.

 

[socialdeviat]

I dont have the time to change the rod bearings... Also My rods are in perfect shape. At least there isnt any drop in oil pressures... and I cant hear any slap with a stethoscope. Endplay is within spec as well. I just need to fix this leak within the next 4hrs.

 

[socialdeviat]

Okay... The leak is not coming from the pan... THANKFULLY

It is coming from higher... More likely the frontmost cam seal... I pulled the gear cover and No oil... But if I shine the light behind the plates and such I find LOTS of oil. So Im gonna pull the intake... Valve cover and replace the goop that ford puts there. Like I did with the Back Cam seal. This should do the trick. Ill let you all know. Thanks for all the help.

 

[socialdeviat]

Ok I redid the sealant and such... It does indeed drip TEN TIMES better.

However I changed my VSS... and took her for a test drive... NO change... No working speedo... and Tranny still runs funky and shifts around 3kRPM

 

[socialdeviat]

Can anyone direct me to where I might find images of this beautiful motor getting torn down... Or anyone want to buy an ATX sho.. its a 94... New 60k... Just has this DARNED Leak...

 

[sdpatt]

I see evidence of oil leaking from the front cam seal in the 78 and 79 images and the rear cam seal in the 80 through 84 images. That is the only source of oil from above the water pump that can get behind the water pump on the block. That oil that leaks inside the timing belt covers must exit through the drain port at the very bottom of the lower timing belt cover under the crank damper.

The oil covered oil pan in number 85 through 87 indicates other sources of oil leaks such as the oil pan gasket or even the valve cover gaskets. You mention that you know the valve cover gaskets, but did you wipe a paper towel under the seal on the front and rear seals to verify?

Unless you just wiped the area under the crankshaft in image number 92 reveals only a tiny bit of seepage through the front main seal.

I didn't look at all the images, but you do have a lot of oil on the outside of that engine.

 

[socialdeviat]

I have replaced the cam seals twice as well as the crank seal. I redid the caps for the protruding cams when I redid the seals.

The only oil Sealing left is the Oil Pan (still wondering if theres anything else around that area like maybe a housing for the oil pump Or if that is completely contained in the front of the block)

The Oil Filter... Which is more of the side of the block rather than the front where its leaking. I have a new oil filter but didn't want to try that til after I fix this leak.

Again for the the leak... There is No leakage from the crank seal. No leakage from the CPS Cam Seal.

Sunday I will Tear the motor apart. Everything that I can take off the pass side will be removed to see what I can find. Worst case scenario there is a galley plug around there that maybe came loose or popped out. Most likely loose since its not gushing like a missing plug would. LIke I said if anyone has a photo of this block BARE where I can see all the oil passages I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks

Daniel