Dry sump

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

Not a problem for your RWD conversion. Mine is differing from yours on quite a few things. Thanks for the words of encouragement!

I hope it works out for you, it is alot of work as you are finding out. It will be cool to see someone elses view on how the car should have been built...now get back to work on it!!!

 

[HotRodKid]

Dry sump oiling systems cost horsepower and are really only used when cornering, handling and ground clearance become major issues. They also help oiling on long races where high RPM is required for long periods. They work well for removing heat under these same extended races.

ground clearance
crossmember clearance
increased capacity
increased filtration
increased cooling
increased volume
better oil control in the corners

all reasons i picked up a dry sump pump for my project. i plan on pounding the living snot out of my car when its done, and my previous driving experience has shown me just how much i can get an oil light to flicker (on a car where it NEVER comes on for normal driving)

 

[BlackonBlack89]

its been done before just an fyi

 

[Lorenr]

Dry Sump oil Systems

Don't misunderstand me, I'm dead set against dry sump oiling systems. I can't imagine a situation on the street where they would ever be needed.

Unless you are driving 100 miles at 9000 RPM they are a waste. A wet sump is nearly always better and infinitely more practical.

It all comes down to a system that weighs a lot, robs power, is a pain to work with and doesn't do a damn thing.

:thankyou:

 

[firebat45]

Don't misunderstand me, I'm dead set against dry sump oiling systems.

Duly noted! Thanks for the opinion. I'm still doing it.

 

[illSHOyou]

Don't misunderstand me, I'm dead set against dry sump oiling systems. I can't imagine a situation on the street where they would ever be needed.

Unless you are driving 100 miles at 9000 RPM they are a waste. A wet sump is nearly always better and infinitely more practical.

It all comes down to a system that weighs a lot, robs power, is a pain to work with and doesn't do a damn thing.

:thankyou:

Lose more power? What you smoking? I want some...

Dry sump if designed properly can draw a vacuum in the crankcase and make as much as 25hp at high rpm. If matched to a well built engine with low tension rings even greater results. You just cant say dry sump doesn't has a place because it most certainly does in the right situation.

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

its been done before just an fyi

Do tell...!!!

 

[SHO92]

Do tell...!!!

The Ulitma GTR with the SHO engine that was/may still be on CarDomain has a dry sump setup. I think that car also used the trans adapter plate as the motor mount too.

Firebat is not putting the SHO engine into a RWD SHO, as he said before, he needs to go dry sump for clearance reasons.

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

Firebat is not putting the SHO engine into a RWD SHO, as he said before, he needs to go dry sump for clearance reasons.

Wait, what? He is not putting it into a SHO in RWD form?

 

[egroce11]

The Ulitma GTR with the SHO engine that was/may still be on CarDomain has a dry sump setup. I think that car also used the trans adapter plate as the motor mount too.

Firebat is not putting the SHO engine into a RWD SHO, as he said before, he needs to go dry sump for clearance reasons.

I tried getting info from this guy and he never responded.

gmorrel, don't you dare leave the old farts like me need your experience.

build a dry sump system and I'd run it.

Ernie

 

[firebat45]

Firebat is not putting the SHO engine into a RWD SHO, as he said before, he needs to go dry sump for clearance reasons.

I'm not?

I am doing it for clearance reasons, but the reason I need clearance in the first place is the RWD swap.

I tried getting a hold of the Ultima guy too, but no response. That was a year or so ago. I wasn't aware he'd done dry sump (or I was aware, and forgot).

 

[SHO_DOODmorrris]

Wait, what? He is not putting it into a SHO in RWD form?

He Is doing that. but there is another project in the works

P.s nice work Blaine I'm gonna have to drop by sometime soon. I'm pulling my tranny today

 

[BlackonBlack89]

I dont know how much clearance u need, but the lowest u can make the custom oil pan is about where the shallow part is on a stock oil pan. Which IIRC only bout 3.5 inches. tad less I think


I did this instead. BTW lost only .6 of a qt. (Damn I haven't touch that opel lately )

 

[firebat45]

He Is doing that. but there is another project in the works

P.s nice work Blaine I'm gonna have to drop by sometime soon. I'm pulling my tranny today

I spent the day pulling a tranny too! Mine wasn't a SHO though

Can't wait to get back on my car.

I dont know how much clearance u need, but the lowest u can make the custom oil pan is about where the shallow part is on a stock oil pan. Which IIRC only bout 3.5 inches. tad less I think

You're right about not being to go any shallower than the shallow part, because of the way the pan is shaped around the front and rear main bearings. However, with the dry sump I can go much shallower than that in the middle of the pan, and use the advantage of the multiple scavenges*. The windage tray/girdle will prevent me from going all the way up, but I can still do a lot better than the shallow part of the pan. Not sure I'll actually need to go that extreme, but the option is open to me.

*Crappy paint representation of what I mean:

 

[SHO92]

I'm not?

I was thinking of a different RWD project you have, on a different forum. Unless there is someone else in Alberta, making a clone of a certain British roadster with an SHO engine.

 

[Tecchie]

I see that some are now working on a RWD mod, what about an AWD??

I would love to convert mine over seeing as I need a trans job now anyways..

 

[firstgen89sho]

I was thinking of a different RWD project you have, on a different forum. Unless there is someone else in Alberta, making a clone of a certain British roadster with an SHO engine.

That would be the same person, doing the clone of the certain British roadster

 

[gmail]

Anyone who thinks the rod bearing issue is lubrication is not thinking clearly. Look closely. Its called DETONATION! Jesus...

are you serious? your saying detonation causes rod bearing failures??

sorry i just wanted to highlight it im not even gonna respond to it

 

[SuperchargedSHOguy]

are you serious? your saying detonation causes rod bearing failures??

sorry i just wanted to highlight it im not even gonna respond to it

It absolutly can. Detonation normally will take out the head gasket(s) first but in our case the heads clamp down very well so the detonation travels further into the engine causing damage to the bottom end. This is more frequent in forced induction engines but can happen in naturally aspired ones as well.

 

[gmail]

Don't misunderstand me, I'm dead set against dry sump oiling systems. I can't imagine a situation on the street where they would ever be needed.

Unless you are driving 100 miles at 9000 RPM they are a waste. A wet sump is nearly always better and infinitely more practical.

It all comes down to a system that weighs a lot, robs power, is a pain to work with and doesn't do a damn thing.

:thankyou:

seriously dude you need to research this before you talk badly about it...
the benefits out weigh the cost to install it..
you GAIN power from dry sump im not gonna go threw all this because i did a post before in a thread about the benefits on dry sump and how one could be setup fairly easy and cheap.

for what this guy is trying to do he dont need to spent thousands of dollars nor spend 100 hours or whatever in the garage.

my advice to you is research how it works and use your common sense...