KentuckySHOoff
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Will the coil pack from the duratec motor work on the sho? The firing order is the same. Just wondering for a great deal.
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rangerj
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KYSHOOFF,
There are several Distributorless ignition
Systems (DIS). They are each different.
Duel Plug (as in spark plug)DIS. Fires two plugs at the same time. Operates off of the CID (camshaft position sensor) and PIP (or CPS)(crankshaft position sensor).
DPI or Duel Plug Inhibit- Both left and right side plugs fire at the same time when the engine is running, however, when it is cranking only the right set of plugs fire. During cranking the control module signals the DIS module through the duel plug inhibit (DPI) circuit to inhibit or restric the left set of plugs.
The EDIS -Electronic Distributorless Ignition System - simplifies the earlier DIS by using a single crankshaft position sensor, a VRS or Variable Reluctance Sensor, in place of the PIP and the CID. The VRS generates a more complex signal, and provides more accurate spark timing.
Then there is the MECS system for Mazda and Fords using Mazda engines. I'll leave it at that.
I think the Vortec coil pack is the EDIS type, or even a refinement of it. I do not think you can interchange these systems. Can you modify the DPDIS to the EDIS system? Maybe, but I think it would necessitate a matching computer, sensors, etc. In other words a whole lot of research, and a lot of time and money IMHO. thumbs_u rangerj
There are several Distributorless ignition
Systems (DIS). They are each different.
Duel Plug (as in spark plug)DIS. Fires two plugs at the same time. Operates off of the CID (camshaft position sensor) and PIP (or CPS)(crankshaft position sensor).
DPI or Duel Plug Inhibit- Both left and right side plugs fire at the same time when the engine is running, however, when it is cranking only the right set of plugs fire. During cranking the control module signals the DIS module through the duel plug inhibit (DPI) circuit to inhibit or restric the left set of plugs.
The EDIS -Electronic Distributorless Ignition System - simplifies the earlier DIS by using a single crankshaft position sensor, a VRS or Variable Reluctance Sensor, in place of the PIP and the CID. The VRS generates a more complex signal, and provides more accurate spark timing.
Then there is the MECS system for Mazda and Fords using Mazda engines. I'll leave it at that.
I think the Vortec coil pack is the EDIS type, or even a refinement of it. I do not think you can interchange these systems. Can you modify the DPDIS to the EDIS system? Maybe, but I think it would necessitate a matching computer, sensors, etc. In other words a whole lot of research, and a lot of time and money IMHO. thumbs_u rangerj
KentuckySHOoff
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thanks
rangerj
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SHOZ123,
"If you can get the plug to work it is the same coil". SHOZ, that is a big IF. There are a couple of extra wires to the coil pack in the SHO setup.
My wifes 02 Taurus has a Vortek engine in it. I have the shop manuals for GenI SHOs, and the 02. I am going to look at the wiring diagrams and see if the old system could be spliced into the new Vortek plug.
You are right a coil is a coil, is a coil. All it needs is a signal to charge it and release the charge. It is a matter of can you splice the signal wires together and not ***** it? The new coil does not get a CID signal, as well as other things.
I'll have to take another look at this. KYSHOOFF, and SHOZ123 of course, I'll get back to you. SHOZ, I'll most likely need your electrical expertise once I get the details together.
By the way, I love the flag. I'm still trying to figure out how to put up one of those icon things. rangerj
"If you can get the plug to work it is the same coil". SHOZ, that is a big IF. There are a couple of extra wires to the coil pack in the SHO setup.
My wifes 02 Taurus has a Vortek engine in it. I have the shop manuals for GenI SHOs, and the 02. I am going to look at the wiring diagrams and see if the old system could be spliced into the new Vortek plug.
You are right a coil is a coil, is a coil. All it needs is a signal to charge it and release the charge. It is a matter of can you splice the signal wires together and not ***** it? The new coil does not get a CID signal, as well as other things.
I'll have to take another look at this. KYSHOOFF, and SHOZ123 of course, I'll get back to you. SHOZ, I'll most likely need your electrical expertise once I get the details together.
By the way, I love the flag. I'm still trying to figure out how to put up one of those icon things. rangerj
The coil is the same except the plug is oriented upward. From the schematics it appears that the Gen 3 Duratec coil incorporates the wire going to the capacitor whereas the SHO coils plug this is done before the plug. Here are the wire diagrams of both.
The Duratec coil
The SHO V6 coil
The Duratec coil
The SHO V6 coil
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