Blackstone report

[Sholab1]

Just got my Blackstone lab report back. Using amsoil.
Any thoughts or suggestions from those in the know?

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[bpd1151]

I would never go 10k on a change interval as they are recommending.

Ha. That's laughable.

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[krewat]

Is there really any copper bearing material in these engines? I know the modulars used aluminum/silicon or something.

 

[Sholab1]

I would never go 10k on a change interval as they are recommending.

Ha. That's laughable.

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I know 7500 is my normal. Got it changed as soon as I got back from a trip. 10k would be like going the full 25k as on bottle. Or using the new Mobil, 1 time per year, not in my lifetime, lol

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[SHOdded]

Would not go 10k with those results on viscosity, flashpoint etc. The metals are likely due to the engine still breaking in, but what filter are u using? Wonder if it was already full up.

 

[Sholab1]

Would not go 10k with those results on viscosity, flashpoint etc. The metals are likely due to the engine still breaking in, but what filter are u using? Wonder if it was already full up.

Using the amsoil filter

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[SHOdded]

5w30 Signature? And your drive is mostly highway? I can tell you that dropping to 0W may not be a good idea esp if going for an extended OCI, OR if the drives are multiple hour drives, no matter what Amsoil says. Most people here using Amsoil are pretty fanatical about OCIs, I doubt they have really tested the limits of the oil/filter and had the oil Blackstone-resulted.

They ARE releasing updated formulations for the OE, XL, and Sig lines in September, hopefully it will have better stats.

 

[markathome]

I had a similar recommendation from Amsoil about extending the mileage on the oil.

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[rubydist]

I don't like that the viscosity is low for both temperatures. I would not run that stuff more than the 8k you did, and frankly I would pick something else as my oil of choice. The copper is a little higher than average, but nothing I would worry about. Just my .02

 

[Lostneye]

Is there really any copper bearing material in these engines? I know the modulars used aluminum/silicon or something.

I have heard he copper is from the turbos but really don't know. I recently did Blackstone for the first time and copper was within range but higher than other metals. Blackstone report said it was common in the 3.5eb

 

[Sholab1]

I have heard he copper is from the turbos but really don't know. I recently did Blackstone for the first time and copper was within range but higher than other metals. Blackstone report said it was common in the 3.5eb

Maybe a change after next change as I have 1 more change sitting in trunk and see what that report says. Copper is in there somewhere if they are saying it's normal. Maybe 2 changes from now will try Mobil or RPurple

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[2011TAURUSSEL]

I have not done one for the Taurus yet but I have done a couple of samples from previous vehicle t Blackstone Labs with good results.

 

[Grouchy]

Amsoil is very good synthetic oil. I think it's the best. One of the first synthetics and are still on top pic their game.

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[Julian Moore]

I run amsoil in all my cars. In my m3 and Mustang, which I drive very limited miles, I change it once a year. In my SHO it says 18K between changes. WOW I drive under 8k a year, so i will check it and probable due it once a year also. Love the stuff, proven track record. People forget that you still need to check your oil though. lol

 

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

Look at the forum Bob the oil guy....I love Amsoil, pennzoil ultra platinum, liqui-moly and now because of my research, the best bang for the buck Castrol gtx magnatec 20 bucks full synthetic 5 qts at walmart.
Great reviews and characteristics for our turbo DI motors......I use MC FL500S filter and OCI @5000

 

[Grouchy]

I started using amsoil before synthetics were popular. Before mobile 1 and during the period when there was debate amoung local mechanics as to whether synthetic oil is safe for your new car. My last Taurus had 325,000 miles on it when I decided time for a new one. The engine was still running great. Everything else was starting to go.
I have never went over 5500 miles per change though. I was not aware of this new claim. If it cost the same I'm staying with 5500.


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[SHOdded]

Amsoil has 3 grades of oil: OE, XL, and Signature. To me, the only Amsoil oil worth having is Signature. The rest is flim-flam, if you will. Signature claims up to 25,000 miles/1 year between changes when coupled with their filter, for normal drive cycles. The recommendation drops to 15,000 miles for special operating conditions. No oil is immune. When the additives get used up, they get used up.

If you are using the MC filter, and changing ONLY the filter, follow the intervals for changing out the filter per your driving conditions, and top off the oil accordingly. This MIGHT work to get you the full interval as spec'd, but there is no data to fall back on regarding wear with this regimen. It is simply simpler to change the oil along with the filter. Ecoboost motors wear significantly more than their naturally aspirated cousins anyway, from the reports I have seen.

 

[Sgtmeatsauce1]

Yea Castrol gtx magnatec 20 bucks full synthetic 5 qts at walmart and a new 6 dollar filter every 5000 I think will work lovely. Conventional oil now a days is pretty good stuff and 3000-5000 OCI and a new filter is fine. But such great oil as the Magntec for 20 bucks 5 qts it is a why not sort of deal to me. I could never leave oil in 10-25,000 miles. Oil may be strong enough to last that long I don't know. But it still carries all the contaminants around in it.
Walmart even had Castrol top of the line for 28 bucks for 5 qt jug, their Edge titanium. They had made in Belgium European grade oil 28 bucks. 0w-40
At these prices it a good deal and no worries...

 

[markathome]

Thought I'd share my latest test result.
13,000 on this oil and the tbn was still pretty good.
Amsoil filter...



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[SHOdded]

Looks pretty decent. Would not extend interval tho, as flashpoint is below spec. Dunno about the fuel in oil, don't think it is winter fuel contributing, could be increased blowby or an injector beginning to let go. Pure speculation

Ecoboosts are much harder on iron from what I have seen. Under similar conditions and mileage, you will rarely see the nat asp 3.5 iron in the double digits.

TAN is supposed to be more important than TBN, but I rarely see TAN sampled, so no experience with it.